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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: ljmacq on Saturday 14 March 15 13:32 GMT (UK)
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looking for info on my g/grandfather Robert Fowler born in Kircubbin Co Down in 1806 son of William and Janet Ross
thank you
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There are a few trees on Ancestry with him in it, Are you a member ?
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Might get a better response if you ask a moderator to move this topic to the board for Co. Down.
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Are you sure hes your Great Grandfather? Given the fact he was born about 1805, I would think he would be at least your GG or GGG Grandfather. :)
Info posted about him on this family tree site:
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/a/l/Helen-E-Hall-Port-Coquitlam/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0480.html
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You are correct Robert Fowler is my gg/grandfather. His daughter Jane married Richard McQuillan in 1853 at St Margaret's rc church in Ayr. Thank you very much for the website. I have Richard on the beginners board because I do not know where he was born in Ireland this was left blank on his death certificate. His age varies in any census but it would be around 1835.
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Doubtful if a birth record will exist for him from that time period, prior to civil registration (1864) you will be relying on church records, which without knowing where he came from ( at least county and preferably Parish) and the fact that the records are far from comprehensive makes the task very difficult.
A starting place may be the Irish Times genealogy site name search shows the name concentrated in the north east of Ireland in the mid 19th century, particularly Antrim:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=Go.&UserID=
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He came from Kircubbin in Co Down
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You are correct Robert Fowler is my gg/grandfather. His daughter Jane married Richard McQuillan in 1853 at St Margaret's rc church in Ayr. Thank you very much for the website. I have Richard on the beginners board because I do not know where he was born in Ireland this was left blank on his death certificate. His age varies in any census but it would be around 1835.
Sorry just a bit confused because of the previous post ??? It is Richard your talking about not Robert?
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In order to find church records, if they survive for such an early period, you'll need to know the family's religion. Have a look at the resource topics at the start of the DOWN board and the IRELAND board.
There are 2 topics for Richard McQuillan-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=715585
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=475018
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please ignore " i have put Richard McQuillan on the beginners board as I do not know where he was born in Ireland" this is a different topic sorry.
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1602. [the townland of] Inishargie drawn as an island in 1602 Its reproduced as ‘detail of the Dartmouth Map25’ shows the Ards Pensinula and Inishargie as an island! Source the ongoing website http://www.kircomchu.com/kircubbin.html#origin
1660. The muster rolls for Co Antrim include about 12 Fowler, sometimes spelt Ffowler and even one Towler, one of the Fowler being in Belfast. The County Down muster rolls exist at PRONI in the Hunter collection, but I am not sure if on line anywhere?
My main information base is Ros Davies great Co Down website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/ who apart from surnames has churches, maps, etc etc. Her relevant townland map is listed as BallywalterBallyhalbertInishargyTownlands.htm
The first two census substitutes I used are:-
1. http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/inishargy-parish.php#.VVhBkUuDoYU
Fowler, Wm. Townland: Glastry Year: 1834 note there were no Fowler in Ballyhalbert.
2. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation which has
From http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation, roughly 30 years later
James Fowler living in Kircubbin 1863 on map ref 75 21
House yard and small garden valuation £2 pa
William Fowler living in Kircubbin 1863 on map ref 75 41
House yard valuation £1 five shillings pa
Could the original map be elsewhere and not yet copied for internet use
Notes:-Griffiths Glastry is listed not under Inishargy but under St Andrews, Alias Ballyhalbert still with no Fowler mentioned.
Fowler Research already completed and on line . Helen Emma Hall nee Burns has done an amazing amount of work on part of the Fowler line of Kircubbin see http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/a/l/Helen-E-Hall-Port-Coquitlam/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0480.html
As I found so few sources, I have put them together as a speculative tree I repeat it is a speculation. Surviving Church Records and other records should soon knock it into acceptable shape.
1. William Fowler married date unknown Janet Ross
children The birth order follows Helen’s research http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/a/l/Helen-E-Hall-Port-Coquitlam/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0480.html is it possible the eldest son Andrew stayed in Kircubbin and did he marry You can look this up and find nearly all the children listed with Glastry birth locations.
1.1. Robert Fowler born in Kircubbin Co Down in 1806 Helens research
1.2. Catherine Fowler. Helen doesn’t give further details on her tree
ancestryireland suggests a Catherine married 1830 an Archibald XXXXX and had a son Robert
Children
Robert XXXXXX
1.3. John Fowler. Helen doesn’t give further details on her tree
1.4. William Fowler. Helen doesn’t give further details on her tree so this is my sibling speculation
William FOWLER . Inishargy married Elizabeth Oats 30 Aug 1824 at Kircubbin Presbyterian Church PR
Children
1.4.1. Mary Fowler christening 14 Sept 1825
1.4.2. William FOWLER. Inishargy son of William Fowler ; aged 21 so b 1829-30 married Jane Curran 26 Apr 1851 CR Note by Jim ie b 1830 Jane’s father was William Curran
children
1.4.2.1. Samuel FOWLER . Inishargy of Kircubbin; .. who died 1857 aged 2 & buried Kircubbin Presbyterian graveyard MIs
1.5 James Fowler. Helen doesn’t give further details on her tree so this is my sibling speculation
James FOWLER . Inishargy of Kircubbin; b ~1817-8, husband of Agnes [Ferris.s familysearch 1841 census] who died 7 Mar 1882 aged 64; father of Sophia (d. 16 May 1856 aged 20) & Jane who died in infancy & buried Kircubbin Presbyterian graveyard MIs another child Nancy see familysearch 1841 census
children
1.5.1. Sophia b~1836, d 1856
1.5.2 Jane who died in infancy
1.5.3. Eliza Fowler b 1839 m aged 19 04 jan 1858 to Hugh McKeon
1.5.4. Nancy see family search
The search for church records should include at least these two examples from Ros Davies churches section
Kircubbin Presbyterian
Glastry Presbyterian formerly Ballyhalbert Presbyterian.
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I found in my searches a report from the Witness 6th march 1874, with special thanks to Eddie
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/twextracts/tw18740300.html
A STRANGE CASE.
Mr. R. J. CRAWLEY, solicitor, said he appeared on behalf of a man named Fowler, who had made a most extraordinary mistake, in reference to a contract. He had a contract on some part of the roads between Portaferry and Greyabbey, near Ardkeen, to cut down three hills and fill two hollows. Unfortunately, he commenced at the wrong end of the contract. (Laughter.) He cut two hills and filled two hollows and made a bridge which were not in his contract at all, and he afterwards fulfilled his own contract by cutting the hills named in his contract.
Mr. SMYTH agreed in all that Mr. Crawley had said, and he did not think there would be any objection offered if Fowler applied at next Road Sessions in Kirkcubbin for remuneration for the work he had done.
Mr. CRAWLEY said he would apply at the sessions, and the matter then dropped.