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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: wildbee on Friday 13 March 15 19:49 GMT (UK)
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I was looking to see if any of the Hopkins family that settled in Barrington, Nova Scotia had been given land grants by the Throne of England. Today I found a book on line that listed those given Grants. The post I found looks like this...
Hopkins, Elisha. Barrington grantee
(56:111)
What do the numbers mean in that post.
wildbee
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Hi Wildbee,
You don't mention any time frame. Was it before or after Canadian confederation in 1867? It ssays by thrown of England so assumming before. But was it around time of war, part of fur trade. etc.
JDC
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Poster wants to know - What do the numbers mean in that post ???
Might it be pages numbers ???
Sandra
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Crown Land Information Management Centre
Or a map reference to a plot/section of land
http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/grantmap.asp
http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/pdf/CLIMC_Ref_Guide.pdf
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra,
I will check out those sites. I am having such a blast...
wildbee
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Thank you all for your help. Though I am still not sure what those no# meant in the book I mentioned ... I do know what I was looking for ... which was, did Elisha receive grants for land in Nova Scotia. I have contacted the sites recommended and I am able to obtain a map and copies of Land Grants given to Elisha. So it has been a very productive week.
Thank you,
wildbee
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Small amount of progress - I expected you to have more replies on here - still time though. Fingers crossed you get the info on those land grants.
Regards
Sandra
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Looking at the publication...https://books.google.ca/books?id=S4DD-Z2pKrwC&pg=PA277
The first number is consistant and is likely the area ( township?) grant number and the rest are the divisions ( sections?) within that area allotted to each grantee.
I see that Elisha Hopkins was a descendant of Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower. I see that his wife Sarah Dolliver was also issued land, this surprises me for the day and age.
Excerpt from another publication linked below...
After several ineffectual attempts at settlement, a grant of a township was made Dec. 4, 1767, to 84 heads of families, mostly from Cape Cod and Nantucket.
I have not a copy of the old grant, but I might as well here give the names of all who appear in the division of the grant, according to our township "Record of First Division of Main Lands begun January 7, 1768:"
https://archive.org/stream/doanereunionatba00trur#page/n35/mode/2up
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Excellent! I have started to look closely at the map that is of the grants given.... I haven't found the grants yet ... but it makes perfect sense that that is what they must be.. The second link you sent about the initial inhabitants was very interesting. I feel like I just hit a home run.... well technically you hit the home run but I am enjoying it anyway.
Thanks.... very helpful,
wildbee
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Sad, the actual history prior to all this, that the natural inhabitants were cast out to make room for the new immigrants....
Glad that the next publication was all new to you. Do not take my reply to the bank, however, as I am only going by later divisions in my own area in the middle of Canada. I imagine they may have had their own names for the divisions back then. J.J.
I see in the first publication page 116 that there were not teo, but three Elisha Hopkins.
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Yes actually...such a heart breaking chapter in history. I was hoping that the Hopkins' line had left the South Shore of Massachusetts because of loyalty to England. My cousin Bunkie, from this forum site, had said that there were some perks to be had, that maybe only a history buff would appreciate, if that were the case ... so it was truly a surprise to find that they (the Hopkins) benefited from the all the hardwork, heartache, and injustice the French experienced. I also knew that my relatives until recent history lived in Nova Scotia.... but I hadn't realized that they left the South Shore of Massachusetts in the mid 1770s and stayed there ever since. My Grandfather was born there, but was I believe, in my direct line, the first to head back to the U.S.A..The whole past week has been eye opening.... and once again I find my family connected with another important event in history. Always soooo interesting.
wildbee
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According to the maps, which you seem to have found... the first numbers appears to be the index sheet map number....56 being part of Halifax county http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/grantmap.asp
Wow, those are beautiful maps!!!
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O.K. nevermind, looking closer at the map.... those numbers aren't as I'd thought because I'd forgotten you're looking at Barrington which is in Shelburne County, Nova Scotia. ( which is further to the west...) Sorry to steer you wrong... ::) They may only be archival reference numbers, I could not see any information online regarding their meaning.
Part of the municipality of Barrington http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/017.pdf
More http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/011.pdf
another peice top left http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/018.pdf
lower right http://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/010.pdf
I imagine there are more overlaps, but it makes for a confusing search
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True.... but I just went there anyway to check and see... because Halifax is a name that I hear in my head as being some how part of the story.... but I didn't find anything. Of course it is not an easy thing to spot no#s or names on those maps.... Thanks , wildbee
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Oh, here is a lot of fun for you There is a ton of genealogy info in here as well...I suggest a full read is in order... ;D
Here are just a few excerpts...
Elisha Hopkins ...In the census of 1769 he is credited with 16 cwt. flax, four cattle, ten sheep, one pig, 30 cwt. fish
A happy invention that first winter is credited to Elisha Hopkins whose house was on the Neck, near that of Henry Wifeon, opposite to Moses Island. They were all in great straits. The supply of potatoes and meal was exhausted. Mr. Hopkins went over to his neighbor and told him he had invented a machine for.......
https://archive.org/stream/historyofbarring00crowuoft#page/122/mode/2up
COPY OF RETURN ...a little local census for you :D ... A Return of the Inhabitants and Stock in the Township of Barrington, July 1st, 1762.
https://archive.org/stream/historyofbarring00crowuoft#page/n125/mode/2up
PLYMOUTH PEOPLE
Lot 16? Barrington https://archive.org/stream/historyofbarring00crowuoft#page/152/mode/2up
Stephen et al... https://archive.org/stream/historyofbarring00crowuoft#page/492/mode/2up
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I don't know if you noticed but I added a link in an earlier reply to the proper area. Those are newer maps and so won't likely have any info on them pertaining to your old families...
Now here is a whole load of information, Nova Scotia, Queens County, Notes of Thomas Brenton Smith, 1700-1950, which contains genealogical notes, obits, etc...extracted from local newspapers and other sources. There are tons of pages on Hopkins starting at the link below....loads on Captain Hopkins starting around p.175 and the family name continues on to p.287. This may keep you busy for a while...even if you know most of it. The log books are amazing information to have.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22079-12272-80?cc=1918186&wc=M6G1-VWG:206520601,206520602
Estate files, I suppose your interest would be Queens ( Liverpool) & Shelbourne ( Barrington), but the information you find above might lead you elsewhere as well...
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/2134302/waypoints
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Hi wildbee,
DO you have any Balcombs that migrated to Nova Scotia from MA.? I have Balcombs in Charlestown that moved to Digby, NS areas.
JDC
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Morning JJ,
I have been babysitting me niece today... but when I checked in to my mail..... I found a treasure chest of info from you ..... I have only had a few minutes and I read the first account that spoke of Elisha Hopkins' "invention". How funny and amazing at the same time. I can't imagine what the other links hold ... I am torn.... read your entries or just have a blast with my niece. She is two months old and this is our first time together.... though I remain torn ... I will pop in and out today and check out these other links. Can't decide who is more thrilling .... Charlotte or Elisha Hopkins.
Will write later,
wildbee
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Morning JDC,
I am not sure at this stage of the game whether I have Balcombs in my family that moved to Nova Scotia. I am very vertical in my family genealogy... I don't stray far from the direct line back to one ancestor or another... It is only because I am rather new at this. But the world was small back then and the chances are we may have had had a Balcombs..... But Bunkie wrote a few days ago and said we are related to each other by one of our Lovejoys marrying on of your Holts. I will keep my eyes out for a Balcombs
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Your neice, your neice!!! ;D ...the reading can wait, it won't get any older waiting for you to read it....But...the wee ones will sprout before your eyes.
I thought you'd like the little invention. It kept so many from starving, so very exciting!!!! Elisha is in the publication more often than just the links I gave you...there are genealogy tidbits as well, although they may all be covered in the other reply info, not sure....But enjoy!!! J.J.
You'll have to look carefully to see which Elisha is which. Popular name I see as it was used for a long time afterward. I am more accustomed to Elijah, so Elisha is a rather different spelling.
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Hey JDC, Had you found the "Balcom" spelling in the Liverpool area from the link i gave earlier? Appears to be mostly late 19th early 20th century news so you may already have it... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22090-14945-66?cc=1918186&wc=M6G1-NZS:206519701,206519702
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Hi wildrose & JJ,
JJ, no i didnt :-( I don't have my database here but I don't recall anything referring to Liverpool or that spelling. I will check again when I get back home.
wildrose, the connection Bunkie is referring too is the marriage of Henry Holt to Sarah Ballard. Henry's parents, Nicholas Holt and Elizabeth Short, are my 10thG -grandparents (just guess at the generation number at the moment). The Holts and Ballards sailed to New England on the James of London during 1635 I believe.
Getting back to the Balcomb family, Henry Balcomb arrived in Boston during 1660 and settled in Charlestown (now part of Boston now). It will be interesting to see if there is another connection between our families, perhaps in Nova Scotia :-) Digby is not far from where your lot settled.
JDC
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Oops,
Should have been wildbee. But perhaps thinking you are a flower blooming in genealogy ;-)
JDC
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Should have been wildbee. But perhaps thinking you are a flower blooming in genealogy ;-) JDC
hehe, good cover...
Wildbee, I imagine the Liverpool Elisha was the one with wife Sarah and the Barrington Elisha the one with wife Hanna... are you researching both? ( haven't looked closely at the actual connections as you seem to already have that info) Amazing that six births for the Barrington Elisha are recorded https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1810407
(Noting that three are listed as "Hopkings") There are early listings for children of Samuel & Rebecca as well... ( put in date range or father's names only for a quick search)
Assessment & Poll Tax records http://novascotia.ca/archives/virtual/census/results.asp?Search=hopkins&SearchButton=Search%20Census&Start=17
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Morning JJ,
I have been pouring over the reading material and maps..... I found nothing so far in Barrington or Liverpool for either Elisha.... my main search is for Elisha and Hannah ... you are correct about that... Funny thing ... in one of the readings you sent me... it mentioned Elisha living on the point across from Moses Island, so... I thought that would give me a hint of where in Barrington he was living .... but Moses Island is out from Halifax... which is I believe 56 on the map grid. Though ...I think it is a coincidence. I also think you are correct about the no#s that I mentioned earlier were probably no#s for a reference or location in a book... not so much about where Elisha lived etc ... Thank you for pointing out that the Elisha (maybe Elisha and Hannah's son) was the one in Liverpool.
I really enjoyed the census. I don't think so far I have seen such an early one. I can't imagine when any one had the time to take the census.
You are also correct about there being a lot of Hopkins' and not just Elishas.... Eventually there were so many Hopkins in a certain section of Barrington that it was called Hopkinstown.
Most of the history I am reading in the books is new to me.... I am loving it.
Have a great day,
wildbee
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Morning JDC,
Two other people that Binkie and I decend from are Richard Warren and John Alden... and they had large families and if I remember correctly all of their children lived to marrying age and had as a result many children. I have read that these two families have the largest amount of decedents.... or something like that ... and are related to just about everyone. I have said that I am limiting my search to direct line.... which I call my vertical search but I have a few books that are very horizontal in their genealogy ... I am looking at the fourth generation of Stephen Hopkins and nothing yet.... but I will be willing (not really) to bet money that we connect through another family member.... By the time the Holts and Balcombs arrived and until the end of the that century .... my relatives seem to be all over N.E. ...Boston was the hot place to live it seems so we will see.
Wildbee is the name of a blog I had on Blogger. It was a year of searching and identifying wildflowers that grow in my area. The name Wildbee kind of comes from the way I would photograph each flower.... from the perspective that a wild bee might have as they flew in ... "a bees eye view" so to speak.
Wild rose is just too funny,
wildbee
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Did you find this in the 1827 census/Assessments ( Jr.to yours I imagine) http://novascotia.ca/archives/virtual/census/returns1827.asp?ID=2261
Barrington, Shelburne County — 1770
http://novascotia.ca/archives/virtual/census/returnsRG1v443.asp?ID=359
I imagine you'd found these http://novascotia.ca/archives/virtual/census/resultsTax.asp?Search=hopkins&SearchButton=Search+Poll+Tax+Records
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JJ
I did see those census postings... I copied the one from 1770 and put it in my Elisha folder. I am not sure if it is Elisha of Elisha and Hannah or if it is Elisha their son. Elisha the senior would have had 25 more years till he died. He was a bit older when he headed up their .... I would of thought it was more of a young mans game.... but they did come from good stock .... I am looking into Elisha, the son, today to see how old he was when he went up their. I discovered that Samuel his older brother (whom I come down through) was 5 years old when they moved to Barrington and he was born abt. 1757... making him about 13 years old....Hold on.... I just found some info.... it seems Elisha the son would have been only 5 years old by 1770. So it just might be Elisha the senior... time will tell.
Thanks again,
wildbee
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JJ
Oh sorry I was looking at the wrong census when I responded to you....
wildbee
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Did you look at those births for Elisha & Hanna in Barrington? Most predate the census, so it is he...
In 1770 census ...They have six children...3 boys & 3 girls (Being that they declare all children to be "American"... which seems rather odd after having forced out the original native people who would "not claim allegiance to the crown"? )
The births in Barrington for Elisha & Hannah ( was she surname Wing?) were:
Marcy/Mary Hopkings 24 March 1763 ( thought they were twins but this may have been a correction for spelling as well since the names are so close....you'd have to see actual images to clear this up)
Elisha Hopkins 22 June 1765
Seth Hopkins 15 April 1774
Edward Hopkings 27 June 1767
Isaac Hopkings 15 October 177I
Archd B Hopkins circa 1795
...adding correction: two of these boys were born before & two after that census
Wow, there are some trees that have this order all jumbled
The births in Barrington for Samuel Elisha Sr's brother & Rebecca Pennell were:
Rebecca Hopkins 25 October 1782
Hannah Hopkins 28 April 1785
John Hopkins 23 July 1787
There is also a Larina Hopkins b. 30 January 1868 in Jeddore, Halifax, NS mother: Elizabeth Mitchell
In case that is also your fellow married previously ( There is a tree with a Samuel & several children with an Elizabeth Mitchell but the dates are 100 years later, unless someone has the dates wrong...)
Hmmm see there is a duplicate for this birth under Lavena Hopkins b. 30 January 1868, so although probably not yours it indicates, spellings were a cause for duplicate transcriptions so Mary/Marcy wrere likely also the same person
Some later generations in newspapers
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nsyarmou/Yarm_Times.htm
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Yes... I wondered which side they were loyal to. I had thought that they may have gone North because they leaned towards the crown. But it is difficult to understand how they claimed land belonging to those who may have been on the same side as those leaning away from the throne. Taking land from one group of people to give to another has never been pretty. Though you would hope we would learn from history... we seem to have this occur over and over in history.
With all the information you have found ... I have been able to join the beginning with the end of my family tree. Such a productive 2 weeks. I am very happy.
I don't know how this site works yet and so I don't know if you saw a post that was sent to me from another person who discovered or knew what the no# 56:111 meant and the other no#s. It refers to a book given the no# 56 and following the 56 are page no#s in that book. Again more of such interesting information about those who lived so long ago.
Well enjoy the day.... I am looking out my window and still see some of your Canadian Juncos (birds)... I promise we will send them home as soon as you warm up a bit.... thankfully we are warming oh so slowly down here... We are happy for 30 degree days this year.... But Spring is coming and we will send home your Robins and Juncos soon
wildbee
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Please copy the link to that answer ( just go that answer and copy the url and past it into your next answer on this thread...thanks...Look forward to the Juncos and Robins...It is much nicer than last year as we had several feet of snow and a snowfall beginning of April...may have scared them away from an early return although we have only a wee bit left to thaw....
Glad I was of help in other areas of your research... J.J.
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Honestly you were a wealth of information.... I feel that Elisha is no longer one dimensional on paper ... but at least two dimensional now....
Here is the link you asked for.
http://link.library.utoronto.ca/champlain/item_record.cfm?Idno=9_96879&lang=eng&query=elisha%20AND%20hopkins&searchtype=Fulltext&startrow=1&Limit=All
Let me know if this doesn't work.
wildbee
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Ack? after all that..... all it refers to is is a note Elisha's daughter Mary's being married Gamaliel Kenny?
I thought it would have been something that refered to the land grants. I guess if one was looking for Mary it would have be something as his parents are mentioned... :P J.J.
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JJ,
Yes, that is what I hoped for as well. It is what came up when I Googled for Elisha's land grants and so I assumed it was about that.... be careful what you assume.... I guess. I must say I am glad to know what the allusive no#s mean. I called Nova Scotia Dept. of Natural Resources this afternoon and just missed them... I will try again. She contacted me and said she could mail me a copy of any of those grants. So I will talk with her tomorrow and see about getting a copy of one of the grants ... she said the earliest one is hardly readable so I may shoot for the 1770
wildbee
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According to NS Immigrants index, there are other references to Elisha Hopkins in the diary.
Jacquie
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Morning Jacquie,
Very good news... I went on line to see if I could find NS Immigrants Index... but had no luck. I also googled the Diary of Simeon Perkins.... and found that but with no search ability. I went to your earlier email and you said that it was on Ancestry.... I use to have an account with them ... but at the moment it is inactive. Could you tell me how I can find those other references to Elisha Hopkins?
wildbee
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the rest seems to refer to Liverpool Elisha
http://books.google.ca/books?id=S4DD-Z2pKrwC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=snippet&q=elisha%20hopkins&f=false
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re: Diary of Simeon Perkins which you'd already looked into earlier...
Navigating about I see that there is a search option lower on the page. It has an iffy search....
I tried loosely searching Barrington Hopkins but unsatisfactory results thus far you'd need to play with keywords to get the most out of it...
http://link.library.utoronto.ca/champlain/search_results.cfm?lang=eng&query=samuel%20AND%20hopkins&searchtype=Fulltext&limit=All
The index for Hopkins on page 290... Elisha has a long list but wonder if it is the same accounts of the Elisha from Liverpool from the ship's log info, in the folder I'd linked to earlier...?
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Good Afternoon JJ,
I have been pouring over the links you sent... Some of course I am not sure how the Hopkins' mentions are tied into my clan.... but I can't wait to find out about some of them. The two diaries of Simeon Perkins.... I am thinking of purchasing .... It is funny (or not) what they teach us in history class growing up. We leave school thinking we know a good amount of history and yet I am always surprised how little detail was covered. I remember privateers being granted permission from England to take advantage of who and what ever on the high seas.... but I never pictured it so rampant as Simeon seems to write about.... and it wasn't just the English ... it seemed to be anyone from anywhere.... I want to look into that a little further also. But, the diaries are just amazing. You hear of ship wrecks and a child gone missing..... This has been such a rewarding search.
Thank you
Wildbee
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If you just want to read them through you can see the 5 headings below, click on the link and then each number is a page to read...I do think it is mostly activity around Liverpool, as that is where the writer was stationed...
http://link.library.utoronto.ca/champlain/search_results.cfm?lang=eng&query=hopkins%20AND%20barrington&searchtype=Fulltext&limit=All&Idno=9_96903
What you see there ...The page itself is the result of a search for Hopkins Barrington which may or may not be yours, so you can just peek at those pages to begin with. The seaman Elisha is going to have far more results than your fellow, and he was from Liverpool....from which Perkins wrote...so unless yours dealt there in any fashion, he may not be mentioned often...
I think reading that previous book on Barrington will be satisfying for a first whole reading as there is more mention of your Elisha and family in there.