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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Peggy13 on Wednesday 11 March 15 16:19 GMT (UK)
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I have learned that there was a marriage of Elizabeth beggs to Robert Ferris on June 7, 1916. Can anyone tell me the names of the parents, particularly for Elizabeth Beggs? I looked on familysearch but there is no info there.
thanks for any help
Peggy
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Hi,
The couple were married in Oldpark Presbyterian Church Belfast and the fathers' names were William John Ferris and John Lawson Beggs. A John Lawson beggs married Jane Beggs (maiden name) in Ballylinney Presbyterian Church. Antrim district on 26 may 1858.
Regards
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Fabulous, Kingskerswell. This is the correct Elizabeth. And thank you so much for that info and for John's marriage.
Peggy
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john lawson beggs father is thomas beggs & jane beggs father is robert beggs.
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thank you, maryderry. I did have that info. But what I am wondering about now is the death of Elizabeth Ferris nee Beggs. I did find a possible date Jan 3, 1944 but I want to be sure it is the correct Elizabeth Ferris. There is no indication on familysearch. Would anyone be able to check and see if this Elizabeth is the widow of Robert Ferris who I think died long before her? I have a previous note saying that this marriage was very brief and I am now wondering if it is because Robert died not long after their marriage in 1916.
Thanks for any help
P.S. John Lawson Beggs father Thomas married Margaret Boyd who is my gg grandmother's sister.
Peggy
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The online Irish civil registration index on Family Search only goes up to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties. You can order the death certificate from GRONI- it will list marital status but not spouse.
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Thank you, aghadowey.
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I have done quite a bit on the Beggs family - slightly related, I think - remember meeting a couple whom mymother told me were Victor and Lily Beggs - I guess she was using Lily's maiden name.
Dont have my data at the moment, but will get back in 1-2 days....
Actually called in at a home oppositethe Halfway House, but the guy wasnt interested.
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I will be anxiously awaiting your reply. And I hope to get to Ireland within the next couple years.
Peggy
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I live in London......
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I live near Vancouver, Canada
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Hello sodafarl,
I am getting back to you about the info that you said you had on the Beggs family. I would be pleased to see what you have, and to see if it is my lineage.
thanks
Peggy
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Hello sodafarl,
I am still hoping to hear from you about the Beggs family. thank you
Peggy
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Tonight, I found the death of Elizabeth Ferris, nee Beggs, on Jan 3, 1944 in Oldpark Village, Co. Antrim, Ireland. She was a widow.
I have been trying to find the death of her husband Robert which would be between their marriage in 1916 and her death in 1944. I have paid for a couple deaths on Groni but they weren't the right person. Does anyone have any info regarding the death of Robert?
Thank you
Peggy
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When Elizabeth married Robert Ferris on June 7, 1916, is there an occupation given for both Robert and his father William John?
Thank you
Peggy
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When Elizabeth married Robert Ferris on June 7, 1916, is there an occupation given for both Robert and his father William John?
Thank you
Peggy
If you get the marriage certificate then you will find the details-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
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I did buy the marriage certificate. Also bought about 3 death certificates for Elizabeth and did find the right one eventually. I have also bought about 5 for Robert but all the wrong person.
I do hope someone can help me with his death. I am told that the marriage was very brief so wonder if he died shortly after their marriage in 1916.
Peggy
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Do you mean you bought the marriage certificate after I suggested GRONI?
There are lots of Beggs in that area probably but it does seem that you are buying too many of the 'wrong' certificates.
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Your link for GRONI took me directly to nidirect where you can search for and buy certificates.
Peggy
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Was just wondering as your earlier post wasn't clear that you had actually bought the marriage certificate before or after I'd posted the link.
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I bought the certificate after you posted the link. I had been hoping that if someone had the marriage info, they could provide the occupations without me having to buy the certificate. I had hoped the occupation might help me narrow down the death for the correct Robert but it did not help.
Peggy
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What about Robert's residence? could that give a clue to what happened to him?
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I have no dob for Robert or residence, except that they were married in Oldpark Presbyterian in 1916 and gave residence as Belfast at time of marriage. Elizabeth's residence at time of death in 1944 is Oldpark Road but where they were in between is anyone's guess.
Peggy
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Trying to check a few other resources for clues. What is Robert's occupation in 1916? father's name & occupation? Names of both witnesses?
Added- father William John?
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Have you ruled out Robert Ferris died 4 July 1919 Belfast? and if so, why?
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Both Robert and his father William John were laborers. Witnesses were George Beggs and Jane Kennedy. I did check out the July 4, 1919 death and Robert was a bachelor in 1916 and the witness in 1919 was his son Thompson Ferris and I don't think a 3 yr. old would be a witness. Besides, Elizabeth was over 50 when they married. And Robert who died in 1919 was a widower.
Also checked Feb 14, 1935 and June 2, 1935 (was widower). and Oct 1936 (was widower). Maybe I should relook at Feb 14. Was married, was laborer whose address was 916 Crumlin Road. Is that Belfast? Witness was S. McIlhare, a name I don't recognise, present at death, address 2 Legmail St.
I have looked back at the 1911 and there is a Robert Ferris on Crumlin Rd., single, mill laborer. Living with brother John and sister Elizabeth. Robert was 49 so age agrees with Robert who died in 1935, age 72. But is he the right one? No will on Proni.
I just found the same three siblings in 1901 on Hillview Road, Shankill, with their widowed mother Eliza, age 80. Could this be the correct family? I don't know. This means William John died before 1901 if correct family.
Peggy
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Looks like this all fits-
Crumlin Rd 5. Ferris, John, labourer (then Loughview Terrace)
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ccomplete1910_c.htm
1911- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Crumlin_Road/171844
Loughview Place Crumlin Rd- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001499373
1916 marriage- Robert Ferris, single, labourer, 916 Crumlin Rd.
1918- Crumlin Rd. 916. Ferris, John, labourer (then Loughview Terrace)
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ccomplete1918_c.htm
D/1935/54/1007/15/290, Robert Ferris, 14 Feb.1935, age 72, Belfast district
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Just a few notes-
1943 Oldpark Back Row at 521 Oldpark Road 9. Ferris, Mrs. Elizabeth
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/nopcomplete1943.htm
Robert Ferris who died 1919 married 1st Isabella Cahoon & had family, including son Hempson.
Could ‘Legmail St.’ be Legoniel St.?
Possibly the correct Robert Ferris & sister Elizabeth?
Bapt.: 1860 Robert Ferris, father William John
Bapt. 1863 Eliza Anne Ferris, father William John
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Everything does seem to fit. When Elizabeth Ferris nee Beggs died, present at death, was her nephew Robert Beggs of 378 Oldpark Rd. On the 1943 Lennon Wylie, there is a Robert Beggs at that address, occupation welder. Elizabeth only had one nephew Robert as far as I know, born abt. 1899, the son of her brother George Augustus Chichester Beggs.
For the life of me, I cannot see John Ferris on Crumlin Rd. on Lennon Wylie in 1910. Brother John is listed as a flax dresser on both the 1901 and 1911. On Lennon Wylie, in 1910, I do find a John Ferris, flax dresser, at 12 Cupar Street. John is listed as married on both censuses but no wife present. On the 1911 census, John is on Crumlin.
Legmail St. could be Legonail, which could be a misspelling of Legoniel. I wonder if S. McIlhare is a relative, a medical person, or what, at Robert's death in 1935. As for his sister, she is listed as Eliza Ann on the 1901. On the 1911, she is still single, and a flax reeler.
I wonder if there was a sibling to Robert, also named Robert, born in 1860, who died and then our Robert was born abt 1861-62, as all other records indicate his birth to be abt 1862.
Peggy
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John Ferris is on Crumlin Road in 1910 directory- use find on your screen to get the correct one.
I wonder if there was a sibling to Robert, also named Robert, born in 1860, who died and then our Robert was born abt 1861-62, as all other records indicate his birth to be abt 1862.
More likely that Robert was baptised in 1860- ages do tend to vary from record to record.
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I have now found John Ferris on Crumlin Rd in 1910 and 1918, as a laborer. The address in 1918 is exactly the same as the place of death for Robert Ferris in 1935. But the John Ferris on Cupar in 1910 is the one who is a flax dresser, as per John's occupation in 1901 and 1911. Hmmmm.
On Cussick Street in 1918, there is a Mrs. Ferris.
As for Legmail St., I did find one in 1943 with a Samuel McIlhare living at 2 Legmail as a laborer. He would be the one who was present at Robert Ferris' death in 1935. Samuel is also there in 1918. So not Legoniel after all for this fella. I wonder the connection between Robert and Samuel. I find a Samuel on the 1901,age 25, in Shankill, married to Elizabeth someone, age 22.
Peggy
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I wouldn't worry too much about occupation in directory being labourer- the directory wasn't an official record and there are errors. The important thing is the address and name matching in this case. You can look at the Valuation Revision Books (www.proni.gov.uk) to see approx. how long the Ferris family were at that address.
Well done for spotting Samuel McIlhare in Legmail St. (I had concentrated on finding Robert Ferris earlier).
Here's Samuel McIlhare & wife Elizabeth in 1901- suspect her occupation should be yarn reeler even though it's written as yarn reller.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Emerson_s_Front_Row/978406
Here there are in 1911- mistranscribed as McIlhane & Elizabeth is a flax reeler-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/New_Street/172156
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001500143