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I am looking for any record of the "Phethean" family after 1841.
I have them in 1841 census, living in Flash, Bolton, Lancs
John (Johnathon) Lomax Phethean b.1802 (Occupation Crofter)
Margaret Phethean b.1809 (Wife)
Alice b.1829 (Daur)
Mary b.1831 (Daur)
John b.1833 (Son)
Margaret b.1836 (Daur)
Elizabeth b.1838 (Daur)
Ann b.1840 (Daur)
Then POOF! THEY VANISH!
Margaret (1836), whom I am researching, reappears after having married but I never see the family again. No idea where they disappear to. Think maybe it has something to do with a mis-transcription of Phethean but couldn't find any.
I have searched FamilySearch and GenesReunited.
Any help gratefully received!
Hywel
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Margaret is a widow in the 1851 in Breightmet, Lancashire
Margret Phethean aged 41
year of birth circa 1810
Head of household - widow
Born in Breightmet in Lancashire
Bolton Tong 3b 29
Piece 2208 Folio 131 Page 11
Other Household Members include
Margret Phethean 41
John Phethean 18
Margret Phethean 15
Elizebeth Phethean 13
Ann Phethean 10
Harriet Phethean 5
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And there are two death refs for a John Phethean in Bolton between 1841 and 1851, one in 1843 and one in 1847.
Have the refs if you need them
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Son John, bn 1833 is on 1861 in Breightmet, with wife Jane and son Henry.
So the name carries on for another generation!
He can be seen on other censuses too, at least one other son.
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Mum Margaret re-marries:
Marriages Mar 1859
LORD James and Phithean Margaret Bolton 8c 306
Maureen
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Henry on 1881
RG 11 3827 88 36
With three sons already! No sign of the name dying out yet!
And on 1901 with lots more children , and parents John (thats the one bn 1833) and Jane are there too
RG 12 3629 101 23
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And there are two death refs for a John Phethean in Bolton between 1841 and 1851, one in 1843 and one in 1847.
Have the refs if you need them
LancashireOPC has the 1843 burial
24 June 1843 at St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire
John Phethian -
age 65 years
abode Breightmet
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Sounds good, Rosie. :)
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Daughter Margarets marriage from lancashireOPC
3 July 1864 at Holy Trinity, Bolton
William Higham age 31 occ Furnace Tenter - Bachelor, abode Nelson St
Margaret Phethean age 28 occ Warper - Spinster, abode Daubhill
Father of groom Robert Higham occ Chemical Maker
Father of bride John Phethean occ Crofter
Witnesses Thomas Higham and Harriet Phethean
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Daughter Alices marriage
19 May 1850 at St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire
Robert Grundy age 22, occ Spinner, Bachelor, abode Little Hulton
Alice Phethean age 21, Spinster, abode Little Hulton
Father of groom Thomas Grundy, occ Weaver
Father of bride John Phethean, occ Crofter
Witnesses Abrm. Boardman and William Horrabin
and daughter Marys
8 September 1850 at St Peter, Bolton
Thomas Hindley Full age -occ Comb Maker, Bachelor, abode Great Bolton
Mary Phethean Full age - Spinster, abode Breightmet
Father of groom John Hindley, occ Carter
Father of bride John Phethean, occ Crofter
Witnesses George Heywood and James Liptrot
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In the late 1950s and early 60s the Town clerk at Boston Lincs was named Phythian. I wonder if this is a modern spelling of the same surname?
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In the late 1950s and early 60s the Town clerk at Boston Lincs was named Phythian. I wonder if this is a modern spelling of the same surname?
I think it's quite likely - see this
http://onomastics.co.uk/forum/anthroponymy/origins-of-the-phethean-surname/
Apparently likely to be a variant of Vivian
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John dies before 1851
Margaret remarries 1859 to James Lord
Alice b.1829 marries Robert Grundy in 1850
Mary b.1831 marries Thomas Hindley in 1850
John b.1833 marries Jane as lizdb's post
Margaret b.1836 marries William Higham in 1864
so just these two to locate
Elizabeth b.1838
Ann b.1840
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Possibility for Elizabeth
Marriage
Jan/Feb/Mar 1859
Bolton
Ref 8c 353
Elizabeth Phethean to either DavidHampson or Charles Fletcher
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Possibility for Elizabeth
Marriage
Jan/Feb/Mar 1859
Bolton
Ref 8c 353
Elizabeth Phethean to either DavidHampson or Charles Fletcher
That looks good lizdb :)
From lancashirebmd
Index for the year 1859
PHETHEAN Elizabeth
FLETCHER Charles
Bolton, St James, Breightmet
Bolton 49/1/32
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I think we're still tracking Ann, born 1840?
There are two Ann Phetheans born around the same time, but ours is the one born in April qtr 1840, baptised August 1840 as the parents are John and Margret.
What about this marriage?
Oct qtr 1861
Bolton
8c
299
to possibly
James Cullen
Richard Leather
John Morris
Ancestry suggests that the other Ann married John Makin
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Wow guys! Thanks so much!
I think GenesReunited might have some holes in its records. I couldn't find the 1851 census record for them at all. I think I remember seeing an 1861 census for a family "Lord" and dismissing it! I'll have to check it again.
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I think we're still tracking Ann, born 1840?
There are two Ann Phetheans born around the same time, but ours is the one born in April qtr 1840, baptised August 1840 as the parents are John and Margret.
What about this marriage?
Oct qtr 1861
Bolton
8c
299
to possibly
James Cullen
Richard Leather
John Morris
Ancestry suggests that the other Ann married John Makin
The father of that one according to LancashireOPC was Joseph whose occupation was a Manufacturer.
hunkyhywell, have you tried looking for these families on
LancashireOPC http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
and LancashireBMD
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
You may be able to follow them and their children. ;)
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Phethean. Family name associated with Ladybarn Manchester 19. Possibly death reg ( over last 10 years) may reveal some info.
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There is a Phethean One Name Study. The researcher may have details of this family.
Details at http://www.phethean.org.uk, or via http://www.one-name.org
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When I saw this heading, it attracted my attention. It's not one of mine, but in East Lancs I'd seen it spelled "Pythean". I'd had the idea it was a name with loads of variant spellings, and may have had Cornish connections?