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Title: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: chirp on Sunday 08 March 15 20:02 GMT (UK)
Today I was looking for the will of an ancestor in the NPC and noticed that there was an entry for the death of a teacher of languages in Manchester in 1864. The names of two of the executors interested me: Frederick Engels at an address in Manchester and Karl Marx in Middlesex.
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: GrannyM on Monday 09 March 15 07:59 GMT (UK)
Interesting find indeed ;)
I wonder what the connection was with your ancestor ? Intriguing.
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: chirp on Monday 09 March 15 08:58 GMT (UK)
There is no connection to the person I was researching; the names were associated with the next person on the list and I just noticed the two famous names. I am sure that somewhere there is a historian who would be interested in the reference and in particular the addresses.
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: Babling Brook on Tuesday 10 March 15 14:13 GMT (UK)
Fascinating, do you know the name of the teacher and school please ?

BB   :)
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Tuesday 10 March 15 17:09 GMT (UK)
That's fantastic! Such little gems pop up here and there, totally irrelevant to whatever we're supposed to be doing - but leading us down a pleasant little byway. I've enough trouble finding the death dates / probate records that should be in my tree, it'd never do to keep straying to adjacent columns or names. Well done! what a find.
(A languages teacher may not actually have been working at a school - quite a few seem to have been peripatetic, going to more than one establishment, or even worked from home, with private pupils, surprisingly.)
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: chirp on Tuesday 10 March 15 18:17 GMT (UK)
The teacher's name was Johann Friedrick Wilhelm Wolff. and he died on 9 May 1864 at Carter Street, Chorlton on Medlock. No school mentioned.
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 10 March 15 18:52 GMT (UK)
Wikipedia article translated from the german original : http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Wolff_%28Publizist%29&prev=search
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 10 March 15 18:55 GMT (UK)
Dedication of Volume 1 of Das Kapital: "To my unforgettable friend, Wilhelm Wolff. Intrepid, faithful, noble protagonist of the proletariat" per http://dbpedia.org/page/Wilhelm_Wolff
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: Babling Brook on Tuesday 10 March 15 19:13 GMT (UK)
Many thanks 'chirp' , I think you've struck gold here, you certainly have for me, it's gonna pull so many things together and hopefully so much more .. Dickens,Marx, Engels,Angel Meadow,the Sunday School story etc; etc;

Thank You, BB   :D :-*
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: Barbara.H on Tuesday 10 March 15 20:51 GMT (UK)
Wilhelm Wolff was buried in Ardwick Cemetery. The records are in the Manchester collections on Find My Past.

 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Interesting Find in the National Probate Calendar
Post by: chirp on Tuesday 10 March 15 21:09 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your comments and ShaunJ for the links - this is really interesting. There was a third executor named - Louis Borchardt MD of Rusholme Road Manchester.

http://www.bmj.com/content/2/1195/1047