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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: sirsimon on Saturday 07 March 15 15:05 GMT (UK)
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Hello
In 1878 at Cork Cathedral, William Fitzpatrick, constable in the Royal Irish Constabulary married Bridget McCarthy, daughter of a Timothy McCarthy, labourer. Witnesses are Thomas Fitzpatrick and Norah McCarthy.
Her residence at the time of marriage is Roman Street, Cork.
According to the 1901 and 1911 census, she was born in 1858, according to her burial record in 1930, her birth year is given as 1860.
Checking roots ireland, I cannot find a baptism for her.
Any help in finding her baptism would be appreciated.
thanks
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I see a birth record for a Bridget McArthy 1861 Cork, father Timothy, mother Catherine
Midleton RC church
Regards
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thanks, is Mcarthy another way of spelling McCarthy?
Is there a marriage for Timothy and Catherine?
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The name can be found on records as M'Carthy, mcarthy, McCarthy, McCarty, and with MAC and without the Mc/Mac!
McCarthy is a very common surname in Cork and Bridget very common as a first name
You will probably require more information to match Bridget to a baptism
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The only information I have about her is that she was born in either 1858 or 1860 in Cork.
Her eldest child was baptised in Cork
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/52f28a0116559
Her father was a labourer named Timothy
William FitzPATRICK to Bridget M'CARTHY in Cork in 1878
Cork Jul-Sep 1878 Volume 5 Page 99
Her marriage reference, gives the name as M'Carthy
Not much to go on unfortunately :(
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One of the witnesses was a Norah McCarthy if that helps
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unfortunately again sirsimon you have a very common name and one that has several variations including Nora, Honor, Honoria, Hanoria...
With the prevalence of these names it will not be easy to state that two sisters named Bridget and Norah born about the correct time to a father named Timothy are correct
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ok
I check the catholic registers for Cork and from the looks of it, there are only three possibilities
There is a Bridget McCarthy baptised in Middleton on 2nd June 1861 to Timothy McCarthy and Kate Maye
Bridget McCarthy baptised in Passage West on 14th January 1857 to Tim McCarthy and Julia Sullivan
and Bridget McCarthy baptised on 24th June 1857, born in 1856 to Timothy McCarthy and Anne Barry in St Patrick's Cork.
There is a marriage for the first baptism, Timy (Timothy) McCarthy and Julia Sullivan on 8th February 1855 at Passage West, Bridget being an only child.
I am not sure which would be correct, the death certificate for Bridget gives her birth year as 1860, the 1901 census gives her birth year as 1858 and the 1911 census gives her birth year as 1857, so all three are possible.
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Passage West was the temporary residence of many people, a kind of suburb of Cork City, and a temporary stop for many seamen, fishermen, boat-builders, etc. So Bridget Ellen need not have been an only child. Passage West people often turn up otherwise in Cove/Cobh (Queenstown) records, for example.
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Been a while, but I've been sleuthing around and I might have found some clues
On her marriage certificate in Cork 1878, the residency for her father Timothy is Roman Street.
Now I looked through the death records and I found a Mary McCarthy who died in 11 Roman Street in 1892. She was a dressmaker and was 64 years old born c. 1827/1828
This could be Timothy's wife and Bridget's mother because I looked around and there is a marriage record in 1855 in Glenflesk Kerry to a Timothy McCarthy and Mary Horgan. The witness is listed as Denis Horgan, which is likely Mary's father because there is a Mary Horgan born in 1827 to Denis Horgan and Gobnet Reen in Glenflesk.
Now what links the Horgans to Bridget McCarthy and William Fitzpatrick in 1878 is that there is a witness to their eldest daughter Ellen's baptism in 1879 Cork, her name is Kate Horgan.
Get this, there is a baptism of a Catherine Horgan in 1845 to Denis Horgan and Gobnet Reen, this could be the witness.
Kate is more than likely Mary's sister, which makes her Ellen's great aunt.
Trouble is, I can't find a baptism for a Bridget McCarthy born to a Timothy McCarthy and a Mary Horgan, so this all could be for nothing.
Any thoughts?
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On her marriage certificate in Cork 1878, the residency for her father Timothy is Roman Street.
Are you sure about that? civil marriage registration will list residences of bride and groom but that might not be where their families lived.
Or is the information from a church register?
In 1878 at Cork Cathedral, William Fitzpatrick, constable in the Royal Irish Constabulary married Bridget McCarthy, daughter of a Timothy McCarthy, labourer. Witnesses are Thomas Fitzpatrick and Norah McCarthy.
Her residence at the time of marriage is Roman Street, Cork.
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Information was on marriage certificate
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Information was on marriage certificate
Then that may or may not be where the father was living.
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makes sense
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The marriage in question
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11113/8067938.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11113/8067938.pdf)
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Death of Mary McCarthy in 1892
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06040/4720522.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06040/4720522.pdf)
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This could be the death of the father, Timothy McCarthy.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020498/7193080.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020498/7193080.pdf)
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I thought so too, but he died in July and the marriage between William and Bridget happens in September. On the marriage certificate, the father isn't listed as deceased.
If this Timothy had drowned, perhaps an inquest or newspaper article might confirm or eliminate him being the father
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I thought so too, but he died in July and the marriage between William and Bridget happens in September. On the marriage certificate, the father isn't listed as deceased.
He. isn't. But there was no requirement to say he was either dead or alive.
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fair enough, I always thought that the father had to be listed as deceased if he was
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fair enough, I always thought that the father had to be listed as deceased if he was
No, no such requirement.
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it's good to know, this record is definitely the most plausible I've seen. The occupation matches and a birth year of 1832/1833 is not far off his wife Mary's at 1826.
His possible marriage was in Glenflesk in 1855, which would make him 22 at the time.
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Where would I be able to search for inquests and newspaper articles concerning his death?
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Where would I be able to search for inquests and newspaper articles concerning his death?
There is an Irish newspaper archive and a corresponding British one (BNA). I took a look in the BNA, nothing. But Irish one has different collection.
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Would they be on Roots Ireland or a specific record office in Cork?
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Where would I be able to search for inquests and newspaper articles concerning his death?
Following on from Wexflyer's comment, have you tried the Cork newspapers on Irish Newspaper Archives? It's a subscription site.
https://www.irishnewsarchive.com/
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I'll have a look
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There are lots of newspapers on Find My Past- and there's an option to filter results by British or Irish newspapers, by county, etc.
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There are lots of newspapers on Find My Past- and there's an option to filter results by British or Irish newspapers, by county, etc.
My understanding is that the collection available on FindMyPast is that of BNA. With a slightly different search engine or interface. In any case, I took a look at BNA.