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Title: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: michaelblow on Saturday 28 February 15 22:53 GMT (UK)
Don't know where to start without buying lots of certificates.

Stitched message from her mother, Sarah Wells,  born 25th october 1842, died 17th march 1848 buried under tree in churchyard. I would like to know where the church is, and the family
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: lizdb on Saturday 28 February 15 22:58 GMT (UK)
Do tell us all you know. You have put this on the Essex board, so what makes you think it all took place in Essex?
What is the exact wording of the embroidery?
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: lizdb on Saturday 28 February 15 23:01 GMT (UK)
If it is Essex, then there is only one possible birth that I can see:

Oct/Nov/Dec 1842
Halstead
ref 12 102
Sarah Wells

If you knew which parish she was born in, then you could take out a 24 hr subscription on SEAX and see christening (if she was chr) and burial.

Or buy the birth cert to find her parents, then look for them on census to find out more about the family.
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 01 March 15 03:14 GMT (UK)
Hi

Bit of info from FindMyPast and FreeBMD

Death March Qtr. 1848 Halstead  Vol. 12  Page. 95

Sarah Wells

FindMyPast give year of birth ~ 1842 and death year ~ 1848, Halstead, Essex

claire
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: lizdb on Sunday 01 March 15 09:44 GMT (UK)
Looking good then!
Seems Sarah Wells and family lived somewhere within Halstead Registration District.

Got to go now, but if no one has done it before I get back, Ill look and see if there any many Wells familes in the area in 1851. If not, then that might give a lead as to what Parish to start with.
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: Jolee on Sunday 01 March 15 10:16 GMT (UK)
There is a burial on 24/03/1848 of Sarah Wells age 6 in St Andrews churchyard Halstead
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 01 March 15 11:12 GMT (UK)
No corresponding baptism in St Andrew's sadly. She must have been born nearby maybe?
@michaelblow - What makes you think it's essex?
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 March 15 13:02 GMT (UK)

Don't know where to start without buying lots of certificates.

Stitched message from her mother,
Sarah Wells, 
born 25th october 1842,
died 17th march 1848 buried under tree in churchyard.

If it is Essex, then there is only one possible birth that I can see:

Oct/Nov/Dec 1842
Halstead
ref 12 102
Sarah Wells


A possibility for her parents, if she is from Halstead ?

To be certain it's the correct family Sarah's b/c would confirm parents names

Marriage
Sep 1839 Halstead
Richard WELLS
Female names on same page
Maria Andrews
Marty Ann Cutts
Mary Gozzard
Anne SAMS

marriage 2 Sep 1839
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8G-443

1841 census administrative area Halstead Union, Halstead
Richard WELLS 25
Ann 25
James 1

Death
Halstead Sep 1850 Ann WELLS
buried Halstead 1 Sep 1850 age 32
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD4-72BK

1851 census administrative area Halstead
Richard WELLS 35
James 11 (born c 1840 FreeBMD Mar 1840 Halsted)
Ann 7 (born c 1844      FreeBMD Dec 1843 Halstead)

1861 census Halstead
Richard WELLS 45
Eliza 39
James 21
Ann 18
Eliza 15
William 9
Maria 8
Henry 2
Lewis  (Sep 1860 Halstead)

It looks as if all the above children birth entries in Halstead district see FreeBMD)
possible ch. James 1 April 1852 Halstead parents Richard Wells & Ann
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8P-7SZ also Ann & William on same day

Ch. Halstead parents Richard WELLS & Eliza (see familysearch)
Maria 1 Apr 1853, Eliza 25 Mar 1856, Henry Charles 29 Sep 1858 & Lewis  29 Aug 1860

Unfortunately not seeing a christening on familysearch for Sarah Wells to confirm whether or not Richard & Ann are her parents :(

death
Halstead Sep 1869 age 48 Eliza Wells burial 15 Sep 1869 Halstead https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD4-7G49

1871c https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KDZB-HKP
1881c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQZK-BP5

death
Halstead Mar 1901 age 86 Richard Wells buried 16 Mar 1901 Halstead
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD4-7PXQ


Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: michaelblow on Sunday 01 March 15 15:00 GMT (UK)
The only information  I  have are the dates,

looked on free BMD and found no exact match for birth and death in the correct quarters.

Essex, Halstead provided the best match

Unless the birth date is an exact match the b/c is no help to find the parents
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: lizdb on Sunday 01 March 15 16:32 GMT (UK)
Well, you will need the birth cert to get the exact date of birth.
So, you can either go round in circles, or bite the bullet and get that Halstead birth cert. All in all it looks very likely. If the birth date ties up, then you will have her parents names. If it doesn't, then that obvious one will be ruled out. But unless that one is ruled out, then you will keep coming back to it as being the most likely, but will never know whether to look elsewhere or not!
One cert - and it could all be sorted!
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: michaelblow on Sunday 01 March 15 17:28 GMT (UK)
Ordered the b/c
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: michaelblow on Monday 23 March 15 13:42 GMT (UK)
Message from GRO saying b/c not found. Either date of birth is not as on the embroidery or place of birth not Halstead but only registered there. Have applied for a new certificate only specifying date of birth and name, place of birth anywhere in England.
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 24 March 15 09:01 GMT (UK)
Halstead is the registration district for the one that we found in the index.

Best just to apply for that cert, no provisos, no date of birth etc, just give the reference from the index. Then you will get the cert that that index entry relates to, and can see what details it has on it.

Not sure what will happen with your new application, presumably they will do a search of the indexes for a few years and come up with the Halstead one as the only possible.....?
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: michaelblow on Wednesday 29 April 15 14:43 BST (UK)
b/c States Sarah's father was John Cole, servant. He was in Halstead in census 1841, age 15. He married a Sarah and moved away to Clare then Colchester see census's. Richard stayed in Halstead, by 1851 Ann died and Richard's brother died, brothers wife and child staying as lodgers. Later they married and had more children.
One thing I would like to know, after having Sarah with John Cole did Ann go back to Richard and have Ann born c 1844. As in 1851 census.   
Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 April 15 17:20 BST (UK)
b/c States Sarah's father was John Cole, servant.


On Sarah's b/c did it give a maiden name for her mother Ann?
Who was the informant and what address was given?

If it is Essex, then there is only one possible birth that I can see:

Oct/Nov/Dec 1842 Halstead
ref 12 102
Sarah Wells


There's also this birth entry on FreeBMD with the same reference numbers

Oct/Nov/Dec 1842 Halstead
ref 12 102
Sarah COLE


One thing I would like to know, after having Sarah with John Cole did Ann go back to Richard and have Ann born c 1844. As in 1851 census.   

Difficult to say but it looks as if Ann was christened in 7 April 1852 Halstead parents named as Richard & Ann (see reply 7), along with her brothers James & William which is after her mother Ann's death in 1850

You would probably need her b/c to confirm her father is named as Richard

Dec 1843 Halstead Ann Wells (FreeBMD)










Title: Re: Sarah Wells embrodery
Post by: Hollyhamster on Sunday 03 May 15 20:46 BST (UK)
I am a member of the Wells family of Halstead. My research is still in progress, but you can view the tree on ancestry. Contact me if you want more info