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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: amandar on Friday 27 February 15 22:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Have found a baptism for William Henry Degray and Harriet Degray on the 4th March 1857 at Oldbury, Worcestershire. Would like to know if they had more children. Looking in particular for Mercy born circa 1863. Haven't had any luck so far.
Regards
Amand
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What other information have you got on Mercy, please?
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In 1901 census with husband Isaac Mason and says she was born circa 1863 and daughter Phillis age 16 and other children. Have spoken to relatives and have all said she was called Mercy De Grey. Have never been able to find anything to confirm. Mercy De Grey was my Great Aunt Maud's grandmother. She said I think she a brother William Degrey
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1911 Census in Stanley West Yorkshire
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Have you got Mercy's marriage certificate?
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No, the marriage only close to Phillis Birth of 1884. I know she was the eldest is to a James Isaac Mason and a Mercy Hadley. I don't know whether in later census records he just used Isaac. I have found a Sarah Degrey marriage to David Hadley on the genealogy site don't know if it is linked yet. I think I will need to send for Phillis birth certificate to confirm parents. I know Phillis Mason married Benjamin Tallett in 1903 West Bromwich
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So you think this marriage:
Marriages Dec 1883
HADLEY Mercy W.Bromwich 6b 1219
MASON James West Bromwich 6b 1219
I agree that certificates would help
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1861 census it is showing a Sarah Hadley mother born Oldbury with a William De grey born 1847 and Harriot De Grey born 1847. Found they were both baptised 1857 saying father's name William Henry De Grey. Would like to find the family in 1871 census to see if Mercy appears
Many Thanks
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Thank-you, so this census:
1861 England Census
Civil Parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical parish: Langley County/Island: Worcestershire
Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Oldbury
David Hadley 30 Halesowen
Sarah Hadley 30 Oldbury
William Degray 14 stepson Oldbury
Harriot Degray 12 step dau Oldbury
Thomas Hadley 6 Oldbury
Aaron Hadley 7/12 Oldbury
If Mercy born 1863 then she would be a Hadley not a de Gray
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My relatives have all said she was a De grey. Even though have never found any evidence. Can you find Mercy on the 1871 and 1881 census records
many thanks for your help
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Did Sarah marry again?
Thomas, Aaron and Mercy all have middle initial H (for Hadley? - though Thomas should be a de Gray)
1871 England Census
Civil Parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical parish: Langley Trinity
Town: Oldbury County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Oldbury
John Bracknell 40 Atherstone
Sarah Bracknell 40 Oldbury
Thomas H Bracknell 14
Aaron H Bracknell 9
Mercy H Bracknell 7 Oldbury, Worcestershire
Betsy Bracknell 6 Months
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Have only found De grey and Hadley. Don't know. It strange my great Aunt only knew the Degrey name. Never heard Bracknell mentioned. Spoke to relative last week and she said she was called Mercy De Grey. Its definitely a mystery
thank you for all your help
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Sarah Hadley married John thomas Bracknell in 1867 in Dudley found on BMD. Mercy would have been a Hadley
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This looks like Sarah's family from 1871 in 1881
Civil Parish: Oldbury County/Island: Worcestershire
Street address: Court 4 No 5 Brades Rd
Registration district: West Bromwich Sub registration district: Oldbury
J... Bracknell 55 coal miner
Sar... Bracknell 50 Oldbury
Jane A. Cooper 20 dau unmarried Oldbury
Betsy Bracknell 10 Oldbury
Mary Holloway 17 step dau unmarried (Mercy ) Oldbury
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Just been looking at this, why is Mercy a Holloway now?
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found this on 1881 census
William Degray Head M 34 born a Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Mary Degray Wife F 31 born at Rounds Green, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Degray Daughter F age 11 born at Rounds Green, Worcestershire, England
Aaron Hadley Brother To Wife age 20 Rounds Green, Worcestershire, England
Mercy on some records mentions Round Green
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Just noticed the address is 4 Brades Road Oldbury for my last entry
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Births Jun 1863
HADLEY Mercy W Bromwich 6b 655
Births Mar 1864
HADLEY Mercy Dudley 6c 119
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1861 Census
Brades Road,
Oldbury, Worcestershire
HO107/2023/32/12
David HADLEY, 30, Head, Mar, Coal Miner, born Halesown
SARAH Hadley, 30, Wife, Mar
William DE GRAY, 14, Step-Son, Coal Miner
Harriot De Gray, 12, Step-Daug
Thomas Hadley, 6, Son
Aaron Hadley, 7mths, Son
All others born Oldbury
MARRIAGE;
29 Aug 1853, St John the Baptist, Halesowen, Worcestershire
David HADLEY, Bachelor, Occp Carpenter, Father THOMAS Hadley, Occp Nailor
Sarah DE GRAY, Widow, Father Daniel CARR, Cordwainer
Witnesses, John CARR, Mary Ann LAWTON
(FreeREG)
BURIAL;
David HADLEY, 20 March 1864, Oldbury Cemetary, Oldbury Staffs, Staffordshire
Age 34,
Abode ROUNDS GREEN, Oldbury***
(FreeREG)
1871 as posted by chempat they are;
John Bracknell 40
Sarah Bracknell 40
Thomas H Bracknell 14
Aaron H Bracknell 9
Mercy H Bracknell 7
Betsy Bracknell 6 Months
So looks like Mercys Father was David Hadley :)
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1851 Census
HO107/2056/155/40
William H De Grey, 25, Head, Mar, Boot and Shoe Maker, born Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah De Grey, 21, Wife, Mar, born Oldbury, Worcestershire
William H De Grey, 5, Son, born Oldbury
Harriett De Grey, 2, Daug, born Oldbury
Charlotte De Grey, under 1 Mo, born Oldbury
Matilda CARR, 8, Sister in Law, born Oldbury
Death Reg;
Charlotte DE GREY, Sept 1852, West Bromwich, 6b 350
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1841 Census
Church Street, Oldbury
Hales Owen, Shropshire
HO107/908/7/Hales Owen
Daniel CARR, 30, Shoemaker
Frances, 30
SARAH, 11**
John, 8
Edmund, 6
George, 1
1851 in Oldbury, Worcestershire we have;
Daniel Carr, 46, Cordwainer
Frances Carr, 47
John Carr, 17
Edward Carr, 15
George Carr, 11
Caroline Carr, 6
William Carr, 3 Mo
So 9yr old Matilda Carr fits in between George/Caroline and Sarah is now Married? (cant find Marriage) to William H De Grey.
1861 she is back at Home;
Daniel Carr 55
Frances Carr 56
Edward Carr 25
George Carr 19
Matilda Carr 17***
Caroline Carr 15
Willim Carr 10
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As I said earler I cant find a Marriage to William H De Grey for a Sarah Carr and this may explain it.
She probably didnt marry him as she remarries as Sarah Hadley;
Marriage Reg;
John Thomas BRACKNELL, Sept 1867, Dudley, 6c 149
Sarah HADLEY on same page
(FreeBMD)
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Question?
Just been looking at this, why is Mercy a Holloway now?
The enumerator may have misheard Mercys surname
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amandar,
Saw that 1881 census but did not post it as getting to bedtime.
It says on that census that Aaron is brother to wife - presumably that is just a mistake, as is that recording of Mercy's name in 1881 as Holloway (or similar spelling when it should be Hadley).
I do not know why your family always thought that Mercy was a Degray.
As Mercy was never actually a Bracknell, then for whatever reason this name was never mentioned to your great-aunt and she only ever heard about De Grey (it is a more distinguished surname, with illusions of grandeur).
We also have a Jane A Cooper in 1881 with the Bracknell family as an unmarried daughter (!), not necessarily relevant to sorting out Mercy, but seems to show what a lot of marriages, deaths and births to different related couples going on.
Added:
Wondered if Jane A Cooper is actually a Hadley, and a niece, but still looking for her in previous censuses.
No births on free bmd for Jane A Cooper or Jane A Hadley (or Bracknell).
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Hi,
Thank you all for your help. Going to send for birth certificate of Phillis Mason to confirm parents name. I think it is going to say mother's name Mercy Hadley, I will be surprised if it says otherwise.
many Thanks
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Please let us know the outcome of the B/C.
Trish :)
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I'm searching within this line as well. I am descended from Thomas Hadley. Son of David Hadley. What I have been able to piece together is that Sarah was married to William DeGrey, after he passed she married David. I suspect that David may have previously been married to an Eliza Ball. I think Thomas may be the only child of David and Eliza. Then they had Aaron together. I'm trying to follow the paper trail and the dna to confirm this. I'm in contact with a Mick Hadley who is descended from Aaron. If it helps at all my great grandmother in this line had a sister named Mercy, so it is a family name down through the Hadleys.
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Hi my great aunt maud Brown Nee Tallett. Had always said her grandmother was Mercy De Grey. She took some finding. Before I received her daughters birth certificate, I would have been surprised if it was anything but Mercy Hadley. Not managed to find her marriage very to Issac Mason. 1911 they are both living in Stanley, Wakefield. I will look later on my tree. I have a photo of Mercy (four generations) if you want me to send your details I can send you the info I have got or visa versa
amandarandall@hotmail.co.uk
Kind regards
Amanda