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Title: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Tuesday 24 February 15 15:30 GMT (UK)
I have found some documents relating to a relative who was in Rainhill Asylum in 1860. Although I understand some of it, I am struggling to work out a few words. Would there be anyone kind enough to help me please? Thanks. Lorna
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: catfordcrooner on Tuesday 24 February 15 15:36 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat

Can you post it for us pleas Lorna
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Tuesday 24 February 15 16:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks. I am struggling to find what the word next to temperament and most of the paragraph on his discharge note.
Thanks in advance.
Lorna
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Tuesday 24 February 15 16:20 GMT (UK)
Hi again, having just looked again, I also can't work out what the word is next to the result box and also by expression of countenance.  :-\
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 24 February 15 16:23 GMT (UK)

Expression of countenance - forbidding, furtive and ???
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 24 February 15 16:32 GMT (UK)
First paragraph of discharge note

His mind is very weak and his moral nature apparently equally so.  He is reported to be greatly addicted to masturbation – there is very little indication of any ? – he answers when spoken to but in brief sentences and never makes a remark spontaneously and appears incapable of thinking.

Second para

A surly truculent looking fellow, in ?, if the countenance to the index of the mind, the highest moral findings are indomitable for his – three  words unreadable – more forbidding.  Having him under strict discipline for several months, he was
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 24 February 15 16:46 GMT (UK)
? = "mind" and ? = "whom"

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Tuesday 24 February 15 17:04 GMT (UK)
Thank you both so much for your quick replies!  :)
I'm really grateful of your help.

I'm hoping someone will know what those three unreadable words are  ::)

Thanks again that's been a huge help.
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Tuesday 24 February 15 17:06 GMT (UK)
Also, does anyone understand what the last few words are on the last sentence at the very top of the discharge record?
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 24 February 15 17:16 GMT (UK)
The word next to Result is Dich'd - discharged

and the two sentences above the paragraphs

"Incoherency - mutters to himself, refuses to raise his voice"
 (Original order of admission to Hayrock Lodge, dated August 11th 1860

Could be Haydock?
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Tuesday 24 February 15 17:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you!!!!  :) It's so obvious now you've said!

Yes, it was Haydock Lodge Asylum he was originally admitted to, then later to Rainhill.
Thanks again xx
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 24 February 15 20:08 GMT (UK)
Already answered by Lisajb, I didn't notice.


Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: craggagh on Tuesday 24 February 15 20:55 GMT (UK)
Hello -

The final paragraph reads : 'A surly truculent looking fellow, in whom, if the countenance be the index of the mind, the highest moral feelings are rudimental, for his aspect is most forbidding. Having been under strict discipline for several months, he was        Discharged 16 Sept 1861.'

craggagh.
                     
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lisajb on Tuesday 24 February 15 21:35 GMT (UK)
Hello -

The final paragraph reads : 'A surly truculent looking fellow, in whom, if the countenance be the index of the mind, the highest moral feelings are rudimental, for his aspect is most forbidding. Having been under strict discipline for several months, he was        Discharged 16 Sept 1861.'

craggagh.
                   

That makes more sense than my attempt!

Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Annie65115 on Tuesday 24 February 15 22:15 GMT (UK)
Temperament - bilious.

Countenance - forbidding furtive and sensual.
Title: Re: Can anyone please help me read an asylum case record please?
Post by: Lorna_W on Saturday 28 February 15 10:16 GMT (UK)
Just wanted to say a great big thank you to you all for replying :) It has helped me immensely!

L