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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: ozcanucka on Monday 23 February 15 18:49 GMT (UK)
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Hello all,
Until very recently, I was able, as per the LAC - ancestry.com agreement, to access the images to the 1921 census for free. Now I am unable to access images in any way, either by browsing through the dataset by Province | District | Subdistrict, or by choosing to see an image after a database query. Both kinds of attempts to view the census images take me to the 'buy membership' splash page. :'(
As far as I can tell from the LAC website, at the very least, I should have access to the images by browsing.
Is there anyone else out there having this kind of problem, or is it just me?
Any ideas what might be going on?
Thanks!
Wendy
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Hi,
Have you tried registering for free ??? Canadians can now browse the 1921 Census data of the Canadian population, free of charge on Ancestry.ca. Registration to the site is free with the input of any valid email address.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/news/Pages/2013/08-1921-census.aspx
Sandra
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Yes, I have a free account, have had for a while. As per my original posting, I have in the past had access to the images. I have several downloaded 1921 census pdfs on my computer as we 'speak'. At Christmas, I was able to find my adopted cousin's birth family by using the 1921. So I know I have been able to do it in the past. Now, I get bumped to the pay screen every time, using Firefox, or Chrome. Before I climb on to my huff and contact LAC, I just wanted to know if anyone else had noticed this.
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Do you live in Canada ?
1921 IMAGES
Digitized images at Ancestry.ca (free from a Canadian ISP with registration – or access without registration through many libraries.
http://torontofamilyhistory.org/researching-toronto-ancestors/census-records/
Sandra
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Thanks for that Sandra.
I'm in Spain at the moment, so perhaps it's the ISP which is the problem, but all the research I've done in the last year or so has been primarily while I was in France. How very strange. ???
I don't live in Canada, so can't just pop into a library for access.
I might try an anonymiser, and see how I go when I get back to France. I've noticed while I'm here that ancestry keeps trying to shunt me to ancestry.com -- so it's obviously registering my ISP and scripting that detour.
All very curious.
Thanks for chiming in.
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Anything we can help you with ?
Sandra
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Well, it's a strange little search, but seeing as you asked... ;D
My gggrandmother, at some time between her arrival in Canada in 1905 and her death in 1928, was the model for an oil painting that used to hang in the Art Gallery of Hamilton in the 1930s. The painting was entitled "The Pioneer Woman". My mother, when she was in her teens, used to go 'visit' the painting when the family was downtown doing errands. I've contacted the current curator of the gallery, and she's been unable to track the painting down.
I have methodically been going through the artists active in Hamilton at the time, and there are two likely suspects, Hortense and Marion Mattice, sisters who later became reasonably well-known Canadian artists. In the 1921, Marion would be caring for her widowed mother, Sarah Louise Crompton Mattice, and Hortense, having married John Sloan Gordon in 1920, will be, one would presume, at his address.
I am trying to see if these two artists are living anywhere close to Corktown, the area my family lived and worked in. So, in short, I'm looking in the 1921 for the addresses of:
Sarah Mattice, b. c. 1853
Marion Mattice, born 1878
and
Hortence Mattice Gordon, b. 1886.
Any and all info received with fawning gratitude.
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Hi
1921, I see Marion as a roomer at 233 James St S. This is in Ward 2. She is an artist.
RK
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1922 Hamilton City Directory has both Marion and Mrs Sarah Mattice at 233 James St.
(pg 726 of the directory)
http://www.donslist.net/PGHLookups/cgi-bin/HandOff-1_0.cgi?HamiltonCAN1922+HamiltonCAN1922+r005SP
1922, I see a John S Gordon, Princ Art Dept Ham Tech Sch, h 101 Spadina av
Also, Mrs J S Gordon, tchr Ham Tech Sch 281 Bay St
(pg 538 of the directory)
I think this is your pair... I don't see Hortence listed under her own name.
See the bit about Hamilton Collegiate Institute (Hamilton Technical Art School) here:
http://www.hpl.ca/articles/short-history-art-hamilton
So, home was 101 Spadina Ave.
RK
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Hi,
To go along with RK's find,
1921 Census they have been transcribed as Gordin
Hortense, teacher, art school
John, principal, art school
101 Spadina Ave. Hamilton
Cheers,
DB
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Hi
Thanks dbreez... I didn't see them!!
Marion's obit in 1956 says she was formerly of 156 James St S. She was formerly an art teacher at the Hamilton Conservatory of Music.
So, she was still on James St. South....
RK
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Woohoo!
The James Street address is about 1/2 kilometre from where GG Hazell lived for most of 1906-1918, or thereabouts, so overlap is possible. Pity they were Methodists. Sorry, that sounds terrible! Just meant that as gggramma is anglican, they likely wouldn't have met at church!.
Thanks for playing along -- if I ever find the painting, I'll post about it here.
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Hortense painted china, some landscapes, still life & abtract so if you have the correct artists it would appear to be Marion Eve Matisse...as she did some portraiture....
Here is one that could be "OF" a pioneer woman with a baby, by the hearth "MOTHER AND BABY BY THE FIRE"
http://www.langmann.com/painting.aspx?CategoryID=ARTIST&SubCatID=725
Here is a gallery that says it houses some of her work
http://www.earlscourtgallery.ca/contact-us.html
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Thanks, J.J.
I suspect it is Marion, if it's either of the sisters, as Hortense eventually went in for abstract painting after her career painting china, whereas Marion did landscapes.
What I know about the painting:
It is either a full-length or 3/4 portrait, a large canvas, about 2 metres high, 1 metre wide. It details a tall woman in dark clothes, with possibly a black shawl, carrying a leather satchel (like an old-fashioned doctors bag), standing against a backdrop of fields. She had strong features ("a face like a hatchet", to quote my mother). The frame was dark. The model was my great- great- grandmother, who emigrated to Canada in 1905 to join her daughter's family in Hamilton, and died in Hamilton in March 1928 (which gives a relative time period and points to a Canadian artist, possibly even someone resident in Hamilton, as the model lived in Corktown and worked in service). According to my mother, it was at the head of the stairs of the old AGH as you went in. (As a young woman, she used to go 'visit' with her when the family had errands in town.)
Either it was on long loan to the Art Gallery of Hamilton, or it has disappeared from their records, as I had the current curator have a look for it and she came up empty. What I will have to do, I think, is go down there for a face to face next time I'm back in Hamilton. I've contacted the Women's Art Association of Hamilton (which has been around since the late 19th c) to see if perhaps one of their older members remembers the painting. Then I'll comb the national salon reviews for the decade of the 20s for likely artists and descriptions of the painting. But it's all slow forensic spelunking. But I'd give my eye-teeth to see that painting. Great-great-gramma Hazell launched me into this whole family tree business, and I feel a connection across the generations to her.
Thanks, everyone, for all your help. Shall I mark this one completed?
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Jennie Kidd Trout was a pioneer doctor in Ontario....Wonder if it was to honour her as she died 1921 ( in the U.S., but she practiced in Ontario)...Just a thought provoked by the leather sachel... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_Kidd_Trout
or Emily Jennings Stowe http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/jennings_emily_howard_13E.html
Interesting reading anyway!
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Definitely interesting reading. Galvanic baths!
Thanks for posting the links.
:)
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Upon noting that the women above had photo images, it therefore seemed less likely that one would need a model other than for body positioning...so did a little more hunting and there is an older story of a Mary Whitmore ( Whitmoyer) Hoople, who was taken, along with her brother & other children, by Aboriginals who taught her herbal medicine. Whether or not she may have ever carried a medical sachel I have no idea...but was trying to approach this from outside the box using the subject matter....
Again, if nothing else, most interesting reading to rest the eyes and catch up on some Canadiana... ( altho stories and numbers change in each account )
http://famouscanadianwomen.com/famous%20firsts/pioneers.htm
;D J.J.
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There are some fabulous, wonderfully intriguing stories here, and I'm ashamed at how few of them I know. And I did a degree in Canadian studies! Thanks for posting the link!