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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: MissyJ137 on Monday 23 February 15 11:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi guys,
I'm trying to find a marriage or death record for 3 of my great grandmother's sisters. There is very little that I can find so am hoping that someone can help.
Charlotte Mary DAVIES born 1874 Sago Hill (near Ballarat)
- 1903 Electoral Roll, Bala Street Sebastopol, Dressmaker
- 1909 Electoral Roll, Bala Street Sebastopol, Dressmaker
Annie DAVIES born 1878 Sago Hill
- 1903 Electoral Roll, Bala Street Sebastopol, Tailoress
Winifred Catherine DAVIES born 1882 Sago Hill
- 1909 Electoral Roll, Bala Street Sebastopol, Weaver
Their parents are Charlotte THOMAS (1841-1903) and David DAVIES (1836-1902). All daughters were unmarried at the time of their parents deaths.
Many thanks,
MissyJ
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Previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=592292.0
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Thanks for the link Merlin. The previous thread is about the parents David and Charlotte. I've been stuck at this same point for about a year without finding any more info on the sisters.
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Hi Missy
Not finding anything for the 3 sisters. ???
Noted in their Mothers Charlottes Will http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/veo-download?objectId=090fe273802f1261&format=pdf&docTitle=Image&encodingId=Revision-2-Document-1-Encoding-1-DocumentData (http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/veo-download?objectId=090fe273802f1261&format=pdf&docTitle=Image&encodingId=Revision-2-Document-1-Encoding-1-DocumentData)
that they were all allowed to live in the house Bala St Sebastopol until they married. Might be worth finding land records for the property to see when it was sold.
Also would be worth finding and checking the Death Notices for their other siblings John, Margaret, and Susannah to see if there is any mention of them.
Sorry couldnt be of more help.
Cheers Leonie
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Hi Leonie,
It's like they've just disappeared! Do you know how to find land records when I don't have a house number as all the way through the probate documentation and electoral rolls it's only listed as "Bala street".
I'll have to go to Ballarat Public Records Office to get land valuations and the Ballarat library for death notices from the newspaper archives for their other siblings. I've searched the Ballarat Cemetery and can't find any deaths listed under their maiden names so had assumed that they had all married at some point.
Cheers,
Missy
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Just to investigate all options, Rootschatters with more access maybe able to provide further information on 5 deaths between 1938 and 1980 with father David Davies and mother Charlotte
If this is your Annie then she lived to a very good age
Death 1980 Annie ? father David Davies; Mother Charlotte
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Had a look at Trove?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper?q=
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Yes, there is no mention of them at all.
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I wonder if this will be any use in pinpointing the house number in BALLA Street.
It is from 1904 Post Office Directory for Vic and gives a little information about the neighbours which could narrow down the search.
Balla street (Sebastopol),
from Albert st.
RIGHT HAND SIDE.
Norton Mrs. Caroline
Davies Miss Margt
Lewis Jno ...Yarrowee st. intersects
LEFT HAND SIDE.
Graham Jas. F
Pengelly Jno
Yarrowee St. intersects
Irving Jno
...Here is Orion St
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Hi Missy
I would be looking for rate books for Sebastopol.
This from the Public Records Office http://prov.vic.gov.au/blog-news/150-years-of-sebastopol (http://prov.vic.gov.au/blog-news/150-years-of-sebastopol)
Cheers Leonie
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Using Google Earth seems block sizes have been reduced since 1904,looks like 6 blocks between Midland Highway and Yarrowee St.All except one house are modern,number 2 Bala St is weatherboard cottage.
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Sorry also just to clarify I used Anc**try to search for the deaths and marriages. I don't have the Victorian BMD cds which other rootschat members may have.
Cheers Leonie
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This is one death that might be worth following up
Name: Winifred Catheri Turner
Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 75
Death Place:Alberton, Victoria
Father's name:John Thomas
Mother's name:Davis Unknown
Registration Year:1958
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number:1155
On the electoral Rolls there is a Winifred Catherine TURNER husbands name is Ernest Frederick TURNER.
Possible marriage
Name: Ernt Geo Turner
Spouse Name: Wfred Davies
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year:1915
Registration Number:1705
Cheers Leonie
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Bala St. Sebas. was just on the boundary of my stomping ground when I was a kid so I can sort of recall what it was like (just), it was the 1950s after all.
From Albert St to Yarrowee St I recall a few houses on both sides of the Street. After Yarrowee St the South side of Bala St was a paddock, There may have been one house on the corner of Yarrowee St. the north side I have only a hazy recollection of, maybe a mullock heap. I remember the paddock because we went looking for Yuilles Wool shed and house, we never found the wool shed but did find evidence of the house. Yuille was one of the early settlers before the gold rush so I guess even then I was a bit of a history nut. Oh and Lake Wendouree was Yuilles Swamp.
Very vague sorry but it was half a century ago. good luck with your hunting.
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Do you know if David Davies had a W middle name? I have found a mention of a D W Davies leading a choir at the Welsh Carmel Church
Also have a Rev D M Davies at the Welsh Independant chapel of Zion.
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Early days on Sebastopol, Victoria St
Mention of a Mrs Davies drapery store in Victoria St. and "Of all the places mentioned none was more popular than David Davies and his assistant david Bowen Bootmakers, and politics were freely discussed".
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Annie Davies is still in Sebastopol from 1914-1977 living in Edward Street occupation weaver.
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I also found that today. She was living with her brother and his family in 1919 and 1926 in Edward Street and continued living there after he moved. I've found an entry in Ballarat Cemetery that could be hers, but the ages don't match by about 10 years. I need to get the index number so I can order the death certificate.
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What are the further details of the Ballarat Cemetery findings please.
Sue
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If the index entry you are looking at is-
DAVIES, Annie, died 8/2/1988 aged 94. Spinster
Location CABD 14
Her last address was 46 Edward Street Sebastopol.
Sue
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MissyJ
If the Annie Davies that you found is the one that died 1965 age 77 years,
I don't think she is your Annie.
DAVIES Annie
died 1965 Ballarat 77 years
Father: John Culliney
Mother: Mary Long
Reg# 11504
Raylen
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If the index entry you are looking at is-
DAVIES, Annie, died 8/2/1988 aged 94. Spinster
Location CABD 14
Her last address was 46 Edward Street Sebastopol.
Sue
Sue,
That looks promising, Right name, Spinster, Edward Street.
Just the age difference of 16 years :-\
Maybe recorded incorrectly along the way?
Raylen
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If the index entry you are looking at is-
DAVIES, Annie, died 8/2/1988 aged 94. Spinster
Location CABD 14
Her last address was 46 Edward Street Sebastopol.
Sue
At the same site-
DAVIES, William Stanley. Aged 87. Died 25/6/1983. Post Office Employee.
Address 46 Edward St Sebastopol.
The record shows he has purchased this plot in 1940
Sue
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Bit more.
Also at the site Old Cemetery CABD 14
DAVIES, Gladys May. Died 30/5/1995 Aged 95. School Teacher.
At the adjoining site Old Cemetery CABD 15
DAVIES Griffith John. Died 28/10/1940 Aged 46. Tinsmith
DAVIES, Mary Frances. Died 14/4/1985. Aged 86. Widow
Sue
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From the details that Sue has found,
this looks like the birth for Annie Davies that died 1988
DAVIES Annie
1893 Sebastopol
Father: Griffith Mother: Winifred Howells
Reg#7475
Raylen
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The entry I was looking at was the one that Sue found with the death in 1988. None of those other Davies are on my family tree so it might just be a coincidence that their was another Annie who was working as a weaver?
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I've also got a request pending at the State Library to see if I can get a copy from the Ballarat Courier Archives of the death notices for their siblings John, Margaret and Susannah. It might mention any married names.
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Could Rootschatters provide more information on this Vic BDM death please
1980
Annie CLARK
Father: David DAVIES
Mother: Charlotte
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Could Rootschatters provide more information on this Vic BDM death please
1980
Annie CLARK
Father: David DAVIES
Mother: Charlotte
This is what the VIC BDM index shows:
Death:
Gwendoline Annie CLARK d. 1980 PRAH #25058
Father: David T DAVIES
Mother: Charlotte Eliz
Cremated at Springvale Botanical Cemetery:
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/454868
Birth:
Gwendoline Annie DAVIES b. 1910 ST KILDA #30916
Father: David Thos
Mother: Charl Elizth Annie CHANT
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Thanks Merlin :)
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Hi Missie
I have been reading this thread just because I grew up in Ballarat.
Would it be possible that the three sisters went back to Wales? They may have made an agreement with their siblings to sell the house even though they never married.
Noells
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Hi Missy
Have you got a list of possible marriages for the 3 sisters from the Vic BMD?
Sometimes when you cannot find a death for a married woman you have to look at all the possible marriages and then try to discount them one by one if you know what I mean.
For example I gave you a possible 1915 marriage for Winifred DAVIES to Ernest TURNER.
Also there is a marriage for an Annie DAVIES to Peter Rutherford LLOYD in 1907.
They lived in Ballarat in 1907 1914 and Sebastopol in 1919 then they moved to Melbourne.
Trying to find deaths for them. ::)
Cheers
Leonie
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Also there is a marriage for an Annie DAVIES to Peter Rutherford LLOYD in 1907.
They lived in Ballarat in 1907 1914 and Sebastopol in 1919 then they moved to Melbourne.
Trying to find deaths for them.
Not the OP's Annie...
Birth:
Annie DAVIES b.1888 SEBASTOPOL #6642
Father: John
Mother: Annie DAVIES
Deaths:
Annie LLOYD
Father: John DAVIES 79yrs d. 1968 PARK #6100
Mother: Anne DAVIES
Peter Rutherford LLOYD 84yrs d. 1968 FOOT #2773
Father: James LLOYD
Mother: Mary MOORE
Buried together at Footscray Cemetery:
http://fgc.maribyrnong.vic.gov.au/mapguide/Footscray/Public/
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Thanks Merlin
Cross that one off.
Cheers Leonie
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No death notices for either Margaret or Susannah in the Ballarat Courier, but their brother had one in 1936.
"John was noted as brother of Maggie (Mrs Oliver), Annie (Mrs Redfern), Lot, Sue (Mrs Jenkins) and Win (Mrs Turner)."
It would seem Charlotte was unmarried in 1936.
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Wonderful Missy
So glad that it was worth the effort.
So the TURNER marriage for Winifred was correct. ;D
At least I got that one right.
Cheers Leonie
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Yes the TURNER marriage was correct. Now I just have one to find for Annie with REDFERN. Such a relief to make some progress after so much time searching.