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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Kate sparrow on Sunday 22 February 15 21:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, Really Hoping someone can help with my search to find out who William Burrell's parents were....
He was Born, 15 April 1831 in Lurgan Ireland.
William married Elizabeth Gray in Shankill on 20 Jan 1865 and Immigrated to New Zealand soon after
I have seen a Marriage record online that gives his fathers name as William, born about 1805 but doesn't give any more clues ... I Would Really like to know who his mother was....
Elizabeth Gray's Parents were Robert Gray and Ellen Glendenning... not very Irish sounding names!
This is the first family I have had to research in Ireland so any online searchable websites that anyone can recommend would be Awesome!!
Any help would be so appreciated, I have been stuck at this spot in my search for years.....
Thanks So much for looking
Kate in New Zealand!!
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The extracted marriage record list William's father as William-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG81-8J1
The only place in Irish records that you are likely to get the name of William's mother might be on his baptism record (not all recorded mother's name- either 1st or last) but in order to see if there might be such a record you'll need to know both where the family lived and their religion.
Have a look at this topic on researching Irish ancestors-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=498742.0
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Thanks aghadowey, I have had a look through what paperwork I have the only religions mentioned are Church of England for the Grays and Anglican for the Burrells..
Thanks for the links! Kate
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In that case Church of Ireland is the place to start. However, there might be 2 problems. One is that C. of I. registers usually only record mother's first name and two is that many pre-1880s registers were lost in the 1920 after being sent to Dublin for safe-keeping.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/online_indexes/church_of_ireland_index.htm
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Lots of 'Burrell's' living in neighbouring town of Portadown. Seagoe Church of Ireland Parish registers worth investigating. The Burrells lived in many townlands equal distance between the Towns of Lurgan and Portadown.
Regards,
Barbara
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they were married in the cofi.
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I have looked at that marriage in GRONI and William Burrell's father was a William , a weaver and Elizabeth's father was Robert, a blacksmith. Most of the Burrel(l)s seem to live near Portadown, but no sign of a William in 1865.
Usually a couple married in the bride's church, so William may not have been C of I.
RosemaryJoan
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Hi thanks to everyone who has commented on this search.... does anyone know of anyone else researching Burrells in Armagh?? Thanks Kate
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Hi,
There is a William Burrell listed in the tithes applotment records for Seagoe Parish in 1834 in the townland of Drumnacnvey plus a Robert Gray in the townland of Breagh. These would have been in the timeframe that William and Elizabeth were born. http://www.lurganancestry.com/seagoetithes1834p1.htm
Regards,
Barbara
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Hi Thanks Barbara, another link in trying to find out more about them!
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Hi everyone, just wondering about cemetery records for these area's does anyone know of any online searchable databases ? thanks!
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Hi again Kate,
Seagoe Church of Ireland BMD records would be a good source. I am snowed under at present but maybe someone else can do a look up for you. If you have no luck, give me a shout in a few weeks and I will do it. I do know that Valentine Burrell is buried in Seagoe cemetery as his grave is only a few away from one of my ancestors graves. The records of Seagoe Cemetery are only searchable from 1901 however burials were taking place hundreds of years before that, hence I suggest the Church Records which date from the 1600's. Drumcree Chuch of Ireland may also be worthwhile to search along with the graveyards in Lurgan . ie. Shankill and Lurgan Cemetery aka the New Cemetery even though it dates from the 1800's. http://www.lurganancestry.com/gravestones.htm has the grave inscriptions for Valentine in Seagoe and also a Burrell in Shankill :-)
Regards, Barbara
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Hi Barbara , Thanks so much! I have seen on Ancestry the marriage record for my Willam and Elizabeth Gray in 1865 it also lists.. other members of the household as Robert Gray and William Burrell only..... but not the mothers/ wives! would this be normal practice? or am I right in assuming Ellen Gray and Mrs Burrell have died ? or left their husbands..... before their children married.. will keep searching and thank you so much for the offer of help, If I could come to Ireland and search the cemeteries I would!! Maybe one day in the future!! All the best Kate
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Hi Everyone thank you for your posts, sadly have not not been able to get along any further with my missing wives! thank you heather for the cemetery info is there any chance you might be able to do that lookup for me sometime?? I appear to have exhausted all the online searchable databases I can access from my side of the world, if anyone has any ideas where I can go from here would be most grateful!
all the best,
Kate
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Opps !! Sorry Barbara! I Should not type in the morning before I have coffee!! Cheers Kate!
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Hi Kate,
Just for your information, my 2nd great-grandfather was a James Burrell born 1834 and he married an Elizabeth Carter in the Shankhill Parish Church, Lurgan on 15 June 1857. His father was William too and I believe he was a brother of your ancestor William born 1838. There was also a Thomas Burrell born in 1839, another son of William snr's, who got married in the Shankhill Church.
My great-grandfather (James's son) was also named William and he called 3 of his sons William, James and Thomas.
Regards
Russell M
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Marriage of THOMAS BURRELL and ELIZABETH ROWAND on 4th November 1864.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11625/8279973.pdf
Marriage of JAMES BURRELL and ELIZABETH CARTER on 15th June 1857.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09534/5456373.pdf
(It's a poor image)
KG
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There is also William born to William Burrell and Isabelle Taylor Sept 17, 1830 bapt at Lurgan First Presbyterian. They lived at Hoophill. A William born to Wm married Sarah Gamble in 1849 in Drumcree, but there is nothing that says this isn't another Wm, son of Wm.
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Hi everyone , thanks again for your help with william burrell, Russell I do believe you are right about the brothers, I am still working away trying to find that missing link that will tie them all together,
William and elizabeth named their children ,William (possibly after his father), Robert, ( after her father) Ann Jane, David and lastly Isabella.. so hopefully Ann jane and isabella could possibly the mothers names, fingers crossed !!!
lots of these names show up in and around lurgan and seagoe, thanks Katc I will see what i can find out about William and isabelle taylor and Have checked the links thanks KG
Hope you are all staying safe and well over there we are thinking of you all from down here in NZ
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Hi Kate,
Since my last message in September I have discovered that my 2nd great-grandfather was in fact a David Burrell (b. 1829 - d. 31 Dec 1899) and not James. David was the son of William, a weaver from Lurgan.
David married a Rosanna Moneypenny in the Church of Ireland, Shankhill Parish, Lurgan on 7 Jan 1855, and they had at least four children together: William, Elizabeth, John and Emily.
I'm almost certain that your ancestor William b. 1831 was David's brother, and that they had at least two other siblings: James b. 1834 and Thomas b.1839.
Kind Regards
Russell
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Hi Russell, thank you for your quick reply , My William born 1831 was also listed as a weaver on his marriage record, so another possible link! family lore has it that we are related to lord nelson back through the burrell family, would be great to one day prove that theory! till then will keep working away ....