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Title: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 20 February 15 20:51 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have a marriage in Naas in 1877 of

Frederick William O'Connor
and
Jane Maher

I have the source on Ancestry but would like to purchase the record.
I have tried to find it on RootsIreland without success. I have also tried to find it on GRO but to be honest I don't know how.
Frederick William O'Connor was in the army at the time.

1877 Naas Volume 17 page 748

Can someone help me please.

Cheers Ian

Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 20 February 15 20:59 GMT (UK)
GRO certificates aren't available online so you have to order the certificate using the index references.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.0

Just in case you don't have these children-
Ellen Maud 1878 Curragh Camp https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR41-V6D
Emily born 1880 Cork https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKZ-QFC
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 20 February 15 21:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks Aghadowey

I had actually read most of that link and I was hoping there was an easier way.
Yes thanks I have the children.

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 21 February 15 00:52 GMT (UK)
If you haven't read that thread to the end ( it's very long now) you may not realise you can get the cert sent to you via email although you can't order it that way. Don't forget to order a research/photocopy cert.
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 10:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sinann
I noticed on Familysearch that the record was in Belfast and I thought it could perhaps be ordered from there.

Ian
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 February 15 10:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sinann
I noticed on Familysearch that the record was in Belfast and I thought it could perhaps be ordered from there.

Ian

I'm a bit puzzled by the Belfast reference- could you explain further?

This is the Naas marriage but I can't see a link to Belfast-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY7Q-BJ7
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: Maggsie on Saturday 21 February 15 10:36 GMT (UK)
Hi,
You can these on line now. The Health Service in Ireland site.
hse.ie
they are 20 euro.
They are only about 10 to 15 if you go to the offices.
Any record after 1864 they have.
I have been to most offices in Ireland over the years and had no trouble in getting any of my records.
Maggsie
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 February 15 10:37 GMT (UK)
It's much cheaper to order the 4 Euro research certificate.
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 10:53 GMT (UK)
I noticed at the bottom of the page that the record was from Belfast.
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 February 15 10:56 GMT (UK)
I still can't see Belfast anywhere. All I can see at the bottom on the page is-

Citing this Record
"Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY7Q-BJ7 : accessed 21 February 2015), MARRIAGES entry for Frederick William O'Connor; citing Naas, 1877, vol. 17, p. 748, General Registry, Custom House, Dublin; FHL microfilm 101,253.

Or are you looking at a different page?
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: Maggsie on Saturday 21 February 15 10:57 GMT (UK)
Hi
was Jane born overseas? India
I have done this info. for someone else, in the USA.
I will have a look and see, if this is the one they went to the Isle of white.
Was F W born in Cork or Dublin?
There were two F W O'Connor's in the army.
One child was born in Cork, I think a girl, at that time he was stationed in what is known now as Crosshaven.
I will see what I have.
Maggsie
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 11:06 GMT (UK)
Yes, Jane was born in India. I have all the children and have Frederick's army record and they ended up on the Isle of Wight.
Thanks for your help.

Ian
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 11:08 GMT (UK)
I will check up the Belfast one when I get back home.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 February 15 11:09 GMT (UK)
Belfast certificates can be viewed online but if the marriage took place in Naas then Belfast really shouldn't be there  :-\
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 13:59 GMT (UK)
Sorry, it was actually on Ancestry:

Original data:
“Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845–1958,” Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah. General Register Office. "Quarterly Returns of Births in Ireland with Index to Births." Belfast, Ireland.

Ian
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 14:10 GMT (UK)

Was F W born in Cork or Dublin?


As far as I know he was born in 1856 in Nenagh, Co.Tipperary.


Ian
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: Maggsie on Saturday 21 February 15 14:39 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I'm going through my paper work to see if I have the O'Connor info..
Nenagh, great town, that's where I was born!
Back soon,
M
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 21 February 15 14:42 GMT (UK)
Sorry, it was actually on Ancestry:

Original data:
“Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845–1958,” Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah. General Register Office. "Quarterly Returns of Births in Ireland with Index to Births." Belfast, Ireland.

Ian

Still doesn't make sense as that's a birth, not marriage, reference. Or is that dor something else like the birth of one of their children?
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 14:50 GMT (UK)

I'm going through my paper work to see if I have the O'Connor info..
Nenagh, great town, that's where I was born!


Thanks for your time and help Maggsie.

Cheers Ian

Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 February 15 14:53 GMT (UK)

Still doesn't make sense as that's a birth, not marriage, reference. Or is that dor something else like the birth of one of their children?


Well I think it is a little strange but the record on Ancestry is for Marriages:

"Frederick William O'Connor in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958"

Cheers
Ian

Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: merseult on Sunday 12 April 15 17:58 BST (UK)
Grace Oconnor born 7 May 1887 Military Hospital Arbour Hill to Frederick Oconnor & Joanna Maher

John Edward OConnor born 1 Apr 1889 Military Hospital Arbour Hill to Frederick Oconnor & Joanna Maher

Suggests marriage was 1886 or earlier (registered later), he may have been stationed in Curragh and they used Arbour Hill for births? 

Arbour Hill is Dublin North, near city centre.
Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 12 April 15 19:38 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking merseult.

Just wondering if these people are mine. I have a Frederick William O'Connor and a Jane Maher.
I am still working on my tree but I have no Grace born to them but I do have a John Edward. A number of the children were born in Curragh according to Frederick William's army record.

Can I ask you where you got your info from please.

Ian

Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: merseult on Sunday 12 April 15 23:32 BST (UK)
Seems highly likely, Jane is a derivative of Johanna and unusual to see "Jane" direct in RC records, and probability of two military Frederick Oconnor and Joanna Maher marriages in Ireland around same time next to zero.  These records are from Rootsireland. 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Ballysax_East/Curragh__Part_of/1442208/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Royal_Barracks/101309/
Above is interesting though .. Is this your guy ?  Ages highly unreliable in Irish census.  Did he remarry ?  In 1911 wife Margaret no children but he has 7 living so perhaps widowed or divorced.



Title: Re: Marriage in Naas
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 12 April 15 23:36 BST (UK)
Cheers.
I will take a look there.

Ian