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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BAC3 on Thursday 19 February 15 21:01 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
Samuel CHILLINGTON, born 1828 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Father: John.... Mother: Ann. Arrived Williamstown 25/01/1848 aboard "Marion": Disposal "Went ashore at his own request" and that is the last mention. TROVE, LDS, PROV all negative to my knowledge. Possibility he returned to England as record of similar profile in 1881 Census, but nothing further. Any information appreciated.
One other connection: His brother Joseph transported to Tasmania "Lady Kennaway" May 1851 for 10 years: something of a rogue, kept on re-offending minor offences only. Wonder if they met up?
For the moment
BAC3
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There is this mention of a Joseph CHILLINGTON in tasmania in 1866 - he is deposing in another's trial as he shared a cell with him ...
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article169046527
cheers,
Ros
Hang on BAC3 - is there a typo? Both brothers can't be called Joseph can they?
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Too true Rosball,
My sincerest apologies......I am looking for SAMUEL Chillington in Victoria and not his brother Joseph in Tasmania.
I am getting too old for genealogy!!!!!
BAC3
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Hi,
There are no life events in Victoria listed under the name CHILLINGTON.
There are some in the name SHILLINGTON including these three births. They do however seem late in life for a man arriving in 1848 ::)
SHILLINGTON Ada Alice Kimpson
Father Samuel
Mother Nancy REYNOLDS
Birth Place BALL
Year 1885
Reg 7540
SHILLINGTON Diana
FatherSamuel
Mother Nancy REYNOLDS
Birth Place BALL
Year 1887
Reg 452
SHILLINGTON Samuel
Father Samuel
Mother Nancy REYNOLDS
Birth Place BALLT
Year 1888
Reg 26415
Sue
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There is this death
SHILLINGTON Saml
Father Unknown
Mother Sarah REYNOLDS
Age 70
Death Place Ballt
Yr 1904
Reg. 7332
The mother's surname being the same as his wife's (REYNOLDS) may indicate this man had married a close relative or there was some confusion on the part of the informant at the death registration.
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Convicts sometimes changed their surname to try to hide their past, while others were illiterate so records were written however the clerl/registrar saw fit to spell them!
The death of Samuel SHILLINGTON was in 1904. Makes his birth year c1834. If it was him he did well for himself:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article139120623
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Australian Electoral Roll 1903.
Chillington, Samuel. Labourer.Binnie? St, Black Hill, Ballarat East, Victoria.
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Samuel Shillington who died in 1904 and married Nancy Reynolds in 1882 - Reg. No 4262 is showing as having been born in Ireland.
You are able to read his Will on the PROV web site. He had a son Samuel and 4 daughters - Ada, Diana, Cora, Pearl according to his Will. A wealthy and successful farmer with a brother called Thomas who is also mentioned in the Will.
Noells
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just checked the Ballarat General Cemetery and found a burial.
CHILLINGTON SAMUEL 88 26/05/1909
MINER
Makes him born about 1821.
I have temporarily misplaced the applicable disc, so don't know where he is showing as being born.
I am sure another rootschatter will let us know.
Noells
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This is his death:
Name: Saml CHILLINGTON
Father: Jno CHILLINGTON
Mother: Ann PAILING
Age: 88
Death Place: Ballt
Year / Reg No.: 1909 / 3811
Hopefully this tallies with what you have.
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thanks Mollipops1
I am still searching for the disc. It has to be here somewhere ;D
Certainly looks like the right Samuel.
Bac3 in the first post said his parents names were father - John and Mother - Ann
Noells
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Ancestry has this entry transcribed as Sara CHILLINGTON. ::)
The Vic Disc shows
Saml CHILLINGTON as you have posted.
His last address was Hospital Ballarat, 26/5/1909.
He has no-one of the same (or similar) name near him at his burial location -
New Cemetery INDA 12.44
However, those buried nearby may turn out to be related with further searches.
Sue
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The parents for that 1909 death match this marriage:
John CHILLINGTON m. Ann PALEING 30 Nov 1818 Tipton, Stafford, England.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VD-H45
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Good Morning Everyone,
Some excellent fossicking which rather confirms my belief that he did not return to England.
I thought sparrett had some possible thoughts, only for those to be very successfully trumped by mollipops1, Noells and John Bell with his death in Ballarat and, of course, the accurate mention of his parents' names. What happened to him during the intervening 61 years from arrival to death?
That narrative may forever remain unwritten where the migrants, including the "Exiles", arriving in mid-century headed for the goldfields, never to be heard of again!!!
He does not appear to have broken the law, married or done anything significant to warrant a newspaper entry.....but he lived to a good age.
For the moment, thank you all for your efforts,
BAC3
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You could order his death certificate which is downloaded immediately for $AU21. The informant would have been asked for the date and place of birth, as well as, if any, marriage details and children. Of course, in this case, as he was in hospital it's likely that the informant was a hospital official who may have little knowledge of the deceased. On the other hand, the informant knew enough about an 88year-old man to know the names of his parents, even the maiden name of his mother so perhaps there is more information on the certificate.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Judith
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Electoral roll has this entry. My access only starts in 1903.
1903
Samuel CHILLINGTON, Binnie? St, Ballarat East (subdistrict Black Hill), labourer
No others of that surname at that address. there do not seem to be any other CHILLINGTONs enrolled in Ballarat, or in Victoria at all.
I can't see any in the current phone listings.
http://www.whitepages.com.au/
Judith
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Hospital Admissions:
Castlemaine Mt Alexander Hospital Register:
Samuel CHILLINGTON
Admitted: 8 Jan 1860
Age: 26
Status: Single
Born: England
Residence: Fryers Creek
Ballarat Hospital Register:
Samuel CHILLINGTON
Admitted: 13 May 1909
Age: 88
Occupation: OAP (old age pensioner)
Status: Single
Born: England
Residence: Binney St
From the above records he appears to have been around the gold mining areas for a large amount of his life in Victoria.
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Hello,
As I mentioned early migrants, including "Exiles", in the mid-19th century, naturally gravitated towards the goldfields, dreams of riches etc., and were rarely heard of again in their lifetimes, especially those that remained unmarried. It seems as though Samuel CHILLINGTON was a prime example.
By the way, Merlin, any indication why he was in hospital or cause of death, probably dust-related.
Thank you again,
BAC3
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Hi,
There are 7 Samuel Chillington births in Staffordshire in the years 1826 to 1834, two of these had a brother called Joseph, one had parents called John and Ann.
The one that matches......Samuel was born in St Leonard's Bilston on the 18th Jan 1829.
His Mothers name was Ann Paleing.
They had six children altogether.
I have seen the ship records as both Samuel and Joseph.
Are you a member of Ancestry? the info is in there and there is a tree with the family from the brother of Samuel and Joseph called William.
Ann was from Tipton Staffordshire and John from Bilston, this seems to be the place where they lived in the England Census.
I didn't find any return ship lists for Samuel or Joseph.
Now to the Deaths...........
I did find which is really annoying.. spelling mistakes.
Josegm Chillington, aged 78, died 2nd September 1898 in Hobart Tasmania. Reg number 531
Also a
Sara Chillington aed 88, died 1901, Ballarat, Victoria. Reg number 3811
You should be able to get the death certs from these reg numbers.
I checked the Sara and she was Sarah, born to the same family and is in the William family tree.
Ok, I hope this is a help.
Maggsie
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Sorry I missed off....
Sara death notice.....
She had Father was John and Mother was Ann Pailing. (The miss spell of the name)
Maggsie
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Maggsie,
When I posted my request initially I knew exactly who Samuel CHILLINGTON was......his Parkhurst Prison admission documents on 04/04/1845 stated that (as per the original source):
(1): His father was: John CHILLINGTON, a Forgeman, from Wolverhampton:
(2): Information about the prisoner read:
Parents live at Wolverhampton. Father in constant work as forgeman.
Works for Mr. Parsons, can earn £4 or £5 a week. Prisoner has 3 brothers
& a sister. Two eldest brothers work at the forge. They have both been in
Prison, one of them 2 or 3 times.............parents went to live at Bilston.....
......Parents then returned to Wolverhampton..........etc.
These details were confirmed by the 1841 England Census:
HO107/999/12/4, p.1
His Father's occupation was entered as "Puddler" and his mother's name Ann, with the three brothers and one sister.
So when several RootsChatters unearthed sources about Samuel CHILLINGTON that tallied with details of the parents I was delighted. And all that remains, although unlikely ever to find out, is what happened to him between 1848 when he arrived in Victoria and 1909 when he died in Ballarat???
For now,
BAC3
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Also a
Sara Chillington aed 88, died 1901, Ballarat, Victoria. Reg number 3811
You should be able to get the death certs from these reg numbers.
I checked the Sara and she was Sarah, born to the same family and is in the William family tree.
Ok, I hope this is a help.
Maggsie
Just to clarify.
Please see Reply #11 for the explanation of the death you believe to be for Sara CHILLINGTON
The date is 1909 and the registration is 3811. The correct name for the deceased is Saml CHILLINGTON
The information on the family tree which you cite above is flawed.
Sue
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Sorry I missed off....
Sara death notice.....
She had Father was John and Mother was Ann Pailing. (The miss spell of the name)
Maggsie
Sara Chillington aed 88, died 1901, Ballarat, Victoria. Reg number 3811
You should be able to get the death certs from these reg numbers.
I checked the Sara and she was Sarah, born to the same family and is in the William family tree.
May I gently mention that I have not found any death notice for Sara, and trees on Ancestry are of course, like trees anywhere, submitted, and need verification, not just to their own supported documentation, but by independent research.
I have presumed that the index entry giving "Sara" is simply a mis-read for "Saml" which of course is a well recognised abbreviation used for "Samuel" The actual death certificate will give the gender for the deceased and likely will have his name recorded in full too.
The commercial website, Ancestry, clearly shows "Sara" and they also clearly highlight that it is from an INDEX ONLY record, and they provide the reference no for that VIC BDM record.
Cheers, JM
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So if you use the VIC BDM index there is NO registration for Sara in 1909 but there's ONE for Saml.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria
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According to Ancestry’s search results a Williams Family Tree is a private tree that has a Sarah Ann CHILLINGTON born in Australia 1886. I have not found a William Family Tree.
Cheers, JM
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Australia Electoral Rolls 1903, Victoria, Ballaarat, Black Hill.
Samuel CHILLINGTON
Binnie Street, Ballarat East, Labourer
NO others with that surname on that particular roll.
Cheers, JM
EDIT TO NOTE that I have again read back through the thread and I can see that I am duplicating Judith's earlier post. sorry Judith. :-[ .
And John Bell's too, sorry John :-[
Australian Electoral Roll 1903.
Chillington, Samuel. Labourer.Binnie? St, Black Hill, Ballarat East, Victoria.
....And all that remains, although unlikely ever to find out, is what happened to him between 1848 when he arrived in Victoria and 1909 when he died in Ballarat???
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From RChat's own Resources Board for Victoria, Australia
http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/search.php
Cheers, JM
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Seems likely this is the right chap!
It looks like he stayed a single man and persisted at mining in the Victorian goldfields...?
There are 3 records for the surname Chillington in the Index to Victorian Goldfields Hospitals' Admissions. This includes hospitals at Amherst, Ballarat, Castlemaine, Creswick, Dunolly, Kyneton, Maldon and Maryborough. My disk no longer runs so worth seeing if anyone has NLA access:
http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/item/1348
No record of him in the mining accidents index CD.
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It looks like he stayed a single man and persisted at mining in the Victorian goldfields...?
There are 3 records for the surname Chillington in the Index to Victorian Goldfields Hospitals' Admissions.
There are only two for Samuel & I have already posted those details ::)
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Hi Tony,
from TNA online index “this record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded”,
ADM 101/49/10/1. Folio 1, Surgeon’s note, several of the prisoners suffering from fits after coming on board from Pentonville Prison…. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10536926?descriptiontype=Full&ref=ADM+101/49/10/1
Folio 1: Saml. Chillington, aged 19, exile; sick or hurt, dyspepsia; put on sick list 24 September 1847, discharged 1 November 1847 cured. I am fairly sure with those dates .... that’s during the voyage to Australia, so likely you already have that info.
The Marion, 668 tons, McKerlie from Spithead 29th September, 1847 arrived Hobart 9th January 1848
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36253810 Launceston Examiner 12 Jan 4848
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37133060 The Australian 28 Jan 1848 info about the voyage, the passengers, how they were embarked, and job prospects in Northern NSW …..
I will have another look through some of my offline NSW resources for the Hunter and New England districts for mid to late 19thC.
Cheers, JM
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Good Morning Everyone,
I was going to "Topic Completed" Samuel CHILLINGTON as with all your help I felt we had gone about as far as resources would allow, leaving the greater portion of his life something of a secret.
In my world of research that to some extent is a satisfactory outcome, as above all else he appears not to have re-offended once he reached "The Fatal Shore". I will now mark the thread "Topic Completed".
For JM: The UK Royal Navy Medical Journals, 1817 - 1857" are online, just Google, and in the case of CHILLINGTON there is quite a lengthy medical description.
My thanks to everyone for their help and expertise.
BAC3
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I am very pleased to have been able to help you in some small way with your Samuel Chillington and appreciate your thanks.
Noells