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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: sidsmith on Thursday 19 February 15 03:48 GMT (UK)
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Am doing research on my James CRICHTON in Canada name changed to CREIGHTON
His Parents were James CRICHTON b 1872 Dysart Fife & Ann BELL b 1790 Inverkeithing Fife married 30 May 1814 Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian
On 1881 Census he was at Gainloch, Pictou, Nova Scotia, Canada with wife Agnes OLIVER? and 4 Children.
I cant find a marriage which would have been about 1848 Pictou, Nova Scotia
I think I have most of his children
Elizabeth b 1849, Anna Bell b 1851( after his mother), Alexander b 1852, Margaret 1853, James 1854, Alfred 1856, Mary 1859, Jessie 1861
I have found the marriages for Alfred, Margaret & Jessie
Cant find any other marriages, more eyes needed lol
Sid
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All the records I found so far show Agnes' maiden name as Oliver.
Margaret Creighton, daughter of James & Agnes, married 1880 to Robert McLeod
Jessie Creighton married 1885 John Fraser (think you already have this)
Alfred Creighton (died 1936) m.1 (1886) Margaret Matheson, m.2 (1913) Mrs. Georgina Rogers (not sure if you've both marriages)
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/
Alfred's death certificate says buried Durham which is a very old cemetery (first burial 1784) so other family members could also be buried there. Can't find full transcriptions online but a few names are here-
http://canadianheadstones.com/ns/cemetery.php?cemID=70
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2440878
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James' (jr) death in 1931 Juab, Eureka, Utah, USA has his birth as February 7th, although it says 1861. He was a miner ( adding: in 1871 census, see next post, he was down a b.1857, has Alfred born before James in 1855))
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11608-152365-76?cc=1747615
1900 Hailey, Deer Creek, Ketchum, Muldoon Precincts, Blaine, Idaho https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM5G-B3R
( 1910) He states he immigrated 1880? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5XH-5YC
1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8PR-ZZ8
1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH6C-MXS
Margaret's last name is Connelly so I'll see if I can find the marriage in the U.S. will add to this post
Wow, have only found a christening & birth date in Idaho thus far...under Crayton :P
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWC6-X2R
adding:still no luck although did finally find out that wife's mother's maiden name was Mary Catherine Shanley ( info from first marriage to an Owens) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=100050827
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1861, six children in household of 8 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108863_00476.jpg
Gairloch 1871 wife is named Nancy?
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4396670_00284.jpg
Margaret Hellen's late birth registration also has her mother as Nancy ( This is usually a nickname for Anne, but we've seen it used for other names incl Agnes)
adding:she also appears to have married again to a Ross Gauirnon?
In 1911 Gannon...with new son & probably son from McLeod marriage, ages & dates all messed up http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=38742
Just noted that in 1871 their religion is noted as PC of L.P. ( Presbyterian & Free church joined to make the Presbyterian Church of the Lower Provinces)
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( although James sr's many siblings were having family around the same time...this one had a child Agnes Anne ( Agnes-Nancy which may have been the actual name of his mother))
so Alexander may have married a Margaret Campbell https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F26D-52X
Nevermind, I am not thinking, as he was on the 1871, and that was his uncle Alexander's child
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... Gairloch 1871 wife is named Nancy?
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4396670_00284.jpg
Margaret Hellen's late birth registration also has her mother as Nancy ( This is usually a nickname for Anne, but we've seen it used for other names incl Agnes)
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In Scotland, and amongst those of Scottish descent, Agnes, Ann, Hannah and Nancy are interchangeable.
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Thanks aghadowey, good to know! Although what I know today isn't always what I'll REMEMBER tomorrow! :P ... Nicknames can be such a pain ( especially when there is no derivitive to recognize ) but I guess we all just can't help ourselves! J.J.
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All the records I found so far show Agnes' maiden name as Oliver.
Margaret Creighton, daughter of James & Agnes, married 1880 to Robert McLeod
Jessie Creighton married 1885 John Fraser (think you already have this)
Alfred Creighton (died 1936) m.1 (1886) Margaret Matheson, m.2 (1913) Mrs. Georgina Rogers (not sure if you've both marriages)
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/
Alfred's death certificate says buried Durham which is a very old cemetery (first burial 1784) so other family members could also be buried there. Can't find full transcriptions online but a few names are here-
http://canadianheadstones.com/ns/cemetery.php?cemID=70
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2440878
Thanks for the info Oliver is the mothers name
the Creighton headstone is also mine
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James' (jr) death in 1931 Juab, Eureka, Utah, USA has his birth as February 7th, although it says 1861. He was a miner ( adding: in 1871 census, see next post, he was down a b.1857, has Alfred born before James in 1855))
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11608-152365-76?cc=1747615
1900 Hailey, Deer Creek, Ketchum, Muldoon Precincts, Blaine, Idaho https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM5G-B3R
( 1910) He states he immigrated 1880? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5XH-5YC
1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8PR-ZZ8
1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH6C-MXS
Margaret's last name is Connelly so I'll see if I can find the marriage in the U.S. will add to this post
Wow, have only found a christening & birth date in Idaho thus far...under Crayton :P
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWC6-X2R
adding:still no luck although did finally find out that wife's mother's maiden name was Mary Catherine Shanley ( info from first marriage to an Owens) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=100050827
Thanks J.J.
James is one of mine. It looks like he married a Margaret Ann OWENS born 11 Nov 1871 Santaze , California, USA. Father Frank mother Mary Catherine Shanley. Cant find marriage.
I don't know where Catherine Connelly Mother-in-law (maybe Frank died and she remarried) F 67 Ireland comes into it yet.
One of their children is named James Owens Creighton born 1909 Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah and I now have his marriage and also two of his sisters Catherine Agnes Creighton & Mabel M Creighton. Still looking for other sisters.. Georgina & Helen
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I am a direct descendant of James Crichton I and his wife Annie Bell. I have a vast quantity of information on this family after their arrival in Nova Scotia, and as they spread across Canada and the U.S. If you are still interested, please feel free to contact me off line at *
Katherine
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I did not notice when I wrote my first reply that there was more than one post here and that the posts were so recent!
My grandmother was Katherine Agnes Creighton; her parents were James Creighton III (by my count system) and Margaret Owens; her grandparents were James Creighton II and Agnes (Nancy) Oliver; and her great-grandparents were James Creighton I and Annie Bell, who immigrated in 1819 to Pictou County, Nova Scotia.
Most of the people you say you cannot find I can tell you about if still interested; they are the family who raised me.
How are you-all related to the Creightons? in Nova Scotia Jas and Annie Bell had 9 children, who had 60 children between them. The next generation had I think 160 (I am not looking it up now) and so on. My difficulties arise when I try to go back to the Scottish records. I cannot quite figure out who were the parents of James Crichton and Annie Bell, although there are many candidates. I also do not know why James and Annie, of Perth and Forfarshire, seem to have been married in Edinburgh, had their first 2 children (James and John) in Markinch (Fife), and then had their 3d (Margaret) in Aberdeen. This is just one of many mysteries I would like to track down. Please feel free to contact me if you still want information OR have any to share (like why you are interested in my family!).
--Katherine
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Hi ecossaise
The Parents of David Crichton were Alexander Crichton b abt 1760 Markinch (we are searching birth date), Fife & Helen Horn b 25 Aug 1757 Dysart, Fife they married 4 Nov 1780 Markinch, Fife and had 4 children, sons
(your)James b 2 Jun 1782 Dysart, Fife, John b 5 Sep 1784 Markinch, Alexander b 3 Dec 1786 Markinch,
Daughter Bethune b abt 1789 Markinch
Alexander then married Isobel Small b 3 May 1778 Cults, Fife. on 8 Nov 1799 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian and had 8 more children.
Alexander died 17 Feb 1834 Balfour Mill, Markinch ,Fife
Isobel died 15 Dec 1859 Balgonie, Markinch, Fife
There are several Crichton researchers looking at Alexander and am waiting to hear from one of them with several Scottish death details. We think that Alexander also had another marriage after Helen, which did not last long.
A Crichton researcher has told my she has the Kirkcaldy library searching for Helen Horns death certificate
Alexander Crichton was my 3rd great grandfather
From Alexander the Crichton's have gone to Canada, America, & Australia
regards
Sid
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Dear Sid: Thank you for your prompt reply I'm delighted to find potential connections to my pre-North America family!
Although I'm sure we are connected somehow, I fear that I may not be the connection you are looking for. I am definitely NOT related to your 1874 James Creighton.
Elspeth Crichton b. ?Alyth, Perth ca. 1762 d. Nova Scotia 1838
m. Scotland Daniel Graham
HER NEPHEW (Elspeth invited him to come over):
James Crichton I (first to set foot in N. America) b. Forfarshire 1786 d. N.Scotia Feb. 1837 age 51
m. Edinburgh Annie Bell b. Alyth, Perth ca. 1790 d. 1884 NS. 8 sons, 1 dau.
Emigrated 1819 with 2 oldest sons and dau. 6 more sons b. in Nova Scotia
THEIR OLDEST SON:
James Creighton II b. 2 May 1815 Markinch, Fife d. NS 27 Feb. 1898 age 82
m. 1848 Agnes Oliver (Nancy) b. Middle River, NS 27 aug. 1822 d. Gairloch, NS dec, 1901. 5 daus, 3 sons
THEIR 6th CHILD:
James Creighton III b.NS 7 Feb. 1857 d. Eureka, Utah 13 Nov. 1931 [in later life he shaved 4yrs off his age and it consistently appears as 1861]
m. Bannock Cty, Idaho 1 Nov. 1890 Margaret Ann Owens b. San Jose, Ca 1871 d. Eureka, Utah 1939. 4 daus, 1 son
THEIR ELDEST CHILD:
Katherine Agnes Creighton b. Hailey, Idaho 1 Aug. 1891 d. Oakland, CA 1966
m. 1926 Eureka, UT John Thomas Jones b. 20 Jan. 1877 d. Bingham Canyon, UT 22 feb. 1928. One dau. (my mother) --> me --> my children
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Perhaps you know how my many-greats-aunt Elspeth is related to your David and /or to James I (who I think came from a long line of blacksmiths)? My sure and certain knowledge ends with James I and Annie Bell...
Many thanks, Katherine
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Hi ecossaise
Wonder why (THEIR OLDEST SON:James Creighton II b. 2 May 1815 Markinch, Fife) was born in Markinch as that is where the Fife Crichton's came from so there must be a connection somewhere.
Do you have the parents of James Crichton & Annie Bell.. I am having trouble with Scotlandspeople & could not download their marriage
regards
Sid
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Dear Sid,
There is something not quite clear about where they were all born in Scotland.
1. James's aunt, Elspeth Crichton; her husband, Daniel Graham; Daniel's half-brother, Duncan Ross; and James's wife, Annie Bell, were all either born in or raised in Alyth, described as being in either Perthshire or Forfarshire (today Angusshire). At that time, I understand that Alyth was on the border of these two shires (now it is wholly in Perth). If I can attach pictures of graves here I will. James I's grave shows him as a "native of Forfer [sic] Shire Scotland". All in all, it is pretty clear that they grew up near each other and thus met.
2. It is not clear why they went to Edinburgh to get married! But the record is pretty clear on this point.
3. Next stop: Markinch (Fife) where the births of James II (1815) and John (1816) are recorded. Note that Markinch is brimming with blacksmiths named Crichton (and has a pile of Bells as well in the churchyard). BUT: note that John's grave says that he was b. Perthshire.
4. Next: daughter Margaret is born in Aberdeen (1818). Aberdeen?? My conclusion has been that they were waiting to catch the boat to Nova Scotia, most probably the ship Louisa that sailed in Sept. 1819. All other ships going to Nova Scotia (esp. to Pictou) that year were l from much more distant ports.
5. To answer your actual question, I do NOT know who the parents of James and Annie Bell were, altho' there are many candidates. For her, either John Bell or Jas Bell and Ann Wigham; for him, perhaps Jas Crichton and Charlotte Rind. This is what I would like to know!! The story of an elderly cousin of mine was that Annie came from a family of 10 girls and 1 boy. The boy was seized by a press gang and never heard from again. I've no idea if it's true, but I have been on the look-out of Bell families with a lot of girls...
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Interested in David Chrichton born 1771 Markinch, Fife, son of James Chrichton and Margaret Swine, a mason by trade, in USA, New york by 1810. dont know when he went to USA , can anyone help.
Colin