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There were stone masons called JACKSON in Windrush since the early 18th century. But I can't find evidence that there was a continuous line, from the same family.
Joseph & Mary Jane JACKSON had children in Windrush from 1706 to 1723. Rowland JACKSON married Mary POULTON in Cirencester in 1723, so he should have been born about 1700, but I can't find his birth. Was he actually a son of Joseph and Mary Jane?
Then in the next generation, Thomas JACKSON was born about 1738, but I can't find where, and there's no suitable gap in the list of Rowland and Mary's children.
Does anyone have any information about the origins of Rowland and Thomas?
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Hi,
Just to let you know that I am carrying out enquiries for you.
Victor
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I don't know if these are related to the Jacksons on our tree which are down as coming in 1716 from Hanley Castle. Malvern. Worcestershire.. He was Phillip Jackson
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Hi Laura,
I doubt if these 2 families are related, but I will look out for Phillip whilst transcribing all the JACKSONs
Victor
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Hi,
I have checked the St Peter, Windrush microfiche PRs but found them too difficult to read, so I ordered up the actual PR and found the following, commencing in 1675/76:-
Source: Glos Archives (GA) P369 IN 1/1, St Peter, Windrush, PR
Joseph the son of Thomas JACKSON and Susanna his wife was baptised the sixth day of February 1675/76
Benjamin the son of Thomas JACKSON and of Susanna his wife was baptised the twentieth day of December 1679
Susanna the daughter of Thomas JACKSON and Susanna his wife was baptised the third day of February 1682/83
Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas JACKSON and Susanna his wife was baptised October 4th, 1685
Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas JACKSON buried September 21, 1704
Elizabeth the daughter of Joseph JACKSON and Mary his wife baptised December 14, 1706
Joseph son of Joseph JACKSON and Mary his wife baptised March 28, 1708
Richard SIMS and Susanna JACKSON were married 5th day of April, 1708
Benjamin the son of Joseph JACKSON and Mary his wife was baptised August 21, 1709
Hannah the daughter of Benjamin JACKSON and Anne his wife baptised April 18, 1710
John BOWLES of Witney and Mary JACKSON of this parish were married December 9th, 1710
I was unable to continue beyond 1710 due to time constraints, but I shall be back in GA next Saturday and will continuing transcribing.
Kindly let me know what date I should transcribe up to as this is very time consuming.
Victor
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Hi,
Having received no reply to when you would like to check out the JACKSON family, please find below my latest transcriptions which have been transcribed from the An*****y Gloucestershire PRs.
St Peter, Windrush, Baptisms, PRs:-
Children of Joseph & Mary JACKSON
William JACKSON, November 25th, 1711
William JACKSON, December 11th, 1712
Mary JACKSON, April 1st, 1714
William JACKSON, August 1st, 1716
Susannah JACKSON, April 12th, 1723
Children of Rowland & Mary JACKSON
Thomas JACKSON, August 31st, 1724
Mary JACKSON, July 31st, 1726
Rowland JACKSON, December 1st, 1729
Susannah JACKSON, January 8th, 1729/30
John JACKSON, March 24th, 1731/32
Now that the PRs are available online, I'll leave you to continue the research.
Victor
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Victor,
Many thanks for your hard work. Plenty of JACKSONs in Windrush, but no Rowland being baptised ca. 1700. You have prompted me to continue, using the transcriptions which are now online, so I shall do just that, and see if Thomas turns up. And hopefully expand into neighbouring parishes.
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Rowland and Mary Jackson appear in my family tree. They have a gravestone in Windrush, near the Newman 'Bale Tomb'. I've recently been and it's difficult to read. It seems Rowland died in 1782 (possibly aged 7_ or _7) and 'his wife Mary' died Dec 1786 (or 1788) (aged 82). There are no burial records at that time on An****ry. Are any available, please and what do they say? Thanks for any help.
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I shall be visiting Glos Archives (GA) next Tuesday and will see what I can find out about the burials of Rowland & Mary JACKSON.
Victor
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Hi Victor,
That would be brilliant, thanks.
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MDean, I can tell you that the Windrush parish records have the following:
Rowland Jackson buried 24 July 1782
Mary Jackson buried 7 December 1787
No ages are given for either.
Do you have any information as to where and when Rowland was born? The first record I have of him is as a mason in 1722, when he leases land in Windrush.
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Hi duport,
Over to you. I'll unsubscribe to this post.
Victor
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Hi Duport,
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I've no info for Rowland's birth, but have photos of the gravestone that I don't know how to attach to this message. On this he MAY be aged 77 at death. I'll get back to you soon with other pieces of info I've got that may be helpful.
Thanks again.
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MDean,
I've got a photo of this gravestone, too, and I agree, it's very worn and hard to read, but I agree with you that Rowland's age when he died looks like 77.
Does your family tree link him to Anthony JACKSON, b. 1766, in any way?
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Hi Duport,
Well ..... it depends how Rowland manages to fit in with Joseph and Mary Jackson who had children baptised in Windrush from 1706. I believe that said Joseph had the Quarry from 1708, before Rowland took it over in 1722. (Source: Linconshire (yes!) Archives) But like you, have been unable to find Rowland's baptism.
However, I have found a totally unsourced (as yet) record of Joseph Jackson, of Winrick (could this say 'Winrush' misread/misheard??) marrying Mary Gardiner at Lechlade in October 1704.
If Rowland died in 1782 aged 77, he COULD be their first child. (But it seems he wasn't baptised in Lechlade)
On some TOTALLY UNSCIENTIFIC searches in trying to link these people together, I have: Anthony Jackson c 27 JAN 1766 son of Thomas + Elizabeth (Thomas son of Joseph and Anne c 28 AUG 1738?) (Joseph son of Joseph and Mary c 28 MAR 1708?)
I don't know whether this is a help or a hindrance!!! Have you discovered the Lechlade marriage in your searches, I wonder?
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MDean, this is excellent news. I would be grateful to have the details of the evidence from Lincolnshire that showed Joseph working the quarry from 1708.
Based on your information I found the record of the marriage of Joseph and Mary GARDINER using FreeREG. The marriage was not in Lechlade, but in Southrop, on 26 October 1704. She was from Lechlade, he was, as you say, from Winrick. This is not an unusual representation of Windrush - many of the early documents refer to "Windridge". That's great!
I can verify (having looked at the parish originals) all of the baptisms you have marked with a ?. But I have Anthony's baptism as 27 Feb 1766, not Jan. LDS FamilySearch has Jan, so I must check this.
It seems hard to believe that 2 JACKSONs, Joseph and Rowland, both stonemasons, in the same parish, weren't related. The only Rowland I've found that fits in terms of age is the son of William and Ann, b. 1698 in Winchcombe. He and Joseph could have been cousins, I suppose.
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Hi Duport,
Thanks for the latest information. I’ve found the FreeReg marriage. I’ll have to look more closely at the Winchcombe Jacksons and keep you updated of any progress.
I only found my connections to Windrush about two months ago, with Benjamin, who lived in Reading. I found him mentioned specifically in paragraphs 62 + 63 of some Gloucestershire documents about Jackson Quar(ry) in Windrush, which I’m sure you’ve already read. Rowland gets a lot of references for the quarry (especially para 213 on 18th August 1822) and a meadow called ‘Cockbury’s’. (para 62)
In 1782 (paras 230-231) Anthony Jackson (aged 16) and Thomas Jackson (aged 43) are mentioned for ‘land near the stone quarry’.
The Linconshire record refers to Cockburys. It says (in part):
‘Deeds; Lease and Release: Date: 19 June 1708 Repository: Lincolnshire Archives [057] Thomas Trinder of Windrush, tailor to Joseph Jackson of Windrush, mason. Property: parcel of a close called Cockburyes in Windrush.’
If you Google search ‘Joseph Jackson of Windrush’, RootsChat comes up first! ‘Lincs to the Past’ is third. The Deeds is article 45, but I can’t get it to open beyond this page. The Gloucestershire documents site I found initially is titled ‘Back 10’ (and come up fifth for me.)
I hope this helps you and anyone else!
MDean
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Hi Duport,
Have been looking at the 'Winchcombe' Jacksons and can't make a definite link.
The August 1698 birth I have found seems to be for Willus Fillius (William, son). Other records name Anne, Joanne, Eleanor, Maria, Edith, Richard and Francis, which are not the pattern of names that were used by the 'Windrush' families, using Victor's records, earlier.
Names like Thomas, Susanna(h), Benjamin, Elizabeth, John and Mary crop up for me (in several generations), which still makes me wonder whether Rowland has a more direct link to Windrush - even though his baptism remains a mystery! I wonder why he was named Rowland?
On a different thought, do you have any other information or ideas about the location of Cockburys or Lammerys? I have found windrush Quarry on an old map and the Grade II Listed Quarry Cottage still stands nearby.
MDean
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MDean,
I would have liked to send you a map showing the 2 properties, Cockburys and Lammerys, but it's not as simple as attaching an image, like on an email!
So, Cockburys is now called Cockleberries, and is on the N side of the Windrush-Sherborne road, almost opposite the village hall. Lammerys is now called Ley Mary Farm, and is on the W side of the same road, just after it heads NW after the village green. They are both shown on the 1978 1:2500 OS map.
The Gloucestershire Archives records that deal with Windrush are mostly from Lord Sherborne's estate, and are listed under D678/1 T1/18. If you search the Gloucestershire Archives website for "Jackson Windrush" you'll get most of the documents that relate to the family.
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Hi there,
Many thanks, Duport, for the details. I think I have found Cockleberries on the 'gohistoric.com' website, next to The Barn. It seems that Ley Mary Farm may have been up for sale until recently, too.
I have put my photo (it may have gone on twice) of Rowland and Mary's Gravestone on 'britishlistedbuildings.co.uk' It comes up easiest searching for 'Annathe Newman Windrush'. It can be copied into a different program - perhaps there is someone out there with a brilliant piece of software that makes it more legible!
Best Wishes,
MDean
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Yes, part of Ley Mary Farm was for sale. You could probably find details if you could find the estate agent.
Both your photos are on the listed buildings site - I have a similar one. I have tried changing the contrast and brightness and so on, but nothing made any improvement. What is needed is a photo taken with the light at a very shallow angle.
Have you seen the monument to Thomas & Elizabeth Jackson inside the church?
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Hi Duport,
Yes, I found the marble stone dedicated to Thomas and Elizabeth, but hadn't looked at the photo fully. It's interesting that he was twenty years older than his wife.
It has got me thinking that Rowland could have been older than Mary. (Who I think is Mary Poulton, baptised at Cirencester in 1706.) Would he have had to have been at least 21 to have been granted a lease, I wonder?
Do you have any death information about Joseph Jackson (b 1675/6), his wife Mary, or his parents Thomas and Susanna?
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MDean,
I believe you have the correct marriage for Rowland. The Cirencester marriage to Mary POULTON gives him as 'of Windridge'. I too would have thought he'd have had to be over 21 to be given a lease, or to engage in any other financial dealings.
The Windrush parish records have Joseph Jackson bur. 29 August 1743, and Mary bur. 10 July 1730. Oddly, I don't have anything on the deaths of Thomas & Susanna.
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Thanks for that. I'll keep looking and keep you posted.
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Hi Duport,
Have you ever looked at the Jackson family in Southam, Warwickshire? They have several 'Rowlands' but also a Thomas born in 1655 (who then 'disappears').
I have tried to make a Windrush connection, but have not been successful.
MDean
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MDean, I wasn't aware of the Jacksons in Warwickshire. Is there any evidence of stone masons in their records?
Another avenue I haven't pursued yet is to look for early apprenticeship records of the Windrush Jacksons. I have Anthony's apprenticeship to his father Thomas in 1793, but nothing else. Rowland's and Joseph's (1676) would be revealing.
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Hi there,
Still no luck finding Rowland's baptism, although the Windrush PRs I can access are very patchy between 1686 and 1694 (perhaps the Record Office has better). Is Victor able to help, please?
However I have spotted an older Rowland Jackson (or Roulandi Jackesone) who was Church Warden in 1665 and 1668, and whose wife Joane (or Jone or Joannae) died in 1669. It seems they married at Sherborne in 1635 and had a son, Thomas, in 1640.
Could this be the Thomas who married Susanna about 1671?
Was Rowland junior their child, born about 1690 and named after his grandfather?
Does this family link in with William Jackson, vicar of Windrush until his death in 1617?
Any comments/ideas/help would be grateful please. Thanks.
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Looking at the National Archives (A2A) - they do hold the Will of Rowland Jackson - Gentleman of Southam, Warwickshire dated 26 November 1715 - which can be downloaded for £3.30. This may or not help with research.
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When Rowland JACKSON married Mary POULTON at Cirencester 18 November 1723
Forest of Dean records
Record IS 36161
Year 1723
Month: Nov
Day : 18
Groom Surname: JACKSON
Groom Forename: Roland
Groom residence: WINDRISH
Bride Surname: POULTON
Bride Forenames: Mary
residence: not stated
Marriage by: Licence
event type: Marriage Licence
Memoranda: Submitted by Mr Harrison 4 May 1724
On the Forest of Dean website they hold the records for
Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1747-1837 and Marriage Bonds - 1730-1823
There are 14 Jackson's listed residence Windrush from 1747 (Rowland Jackson)
and there are two different records
Record No: 61405
Entry No: 89
Year: 1764
Month : June
Day 18:
Groom Surname: JACKSON
Groom Forename: Rowland
Groom Rank/Profession: Mason
Groom residence: Windrush
Bride Surname: RUTTER
Bride Forename: Ann
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Residence: Ampney Cruis
Marriage by: Bond
Signature: He signs
Witnesses: Reuben FLETCHER a Blacksmith of Ampney Cruis
Sealed and Delivered in the presence of John JONES
Event type: Marriage Bond
Memoranda: The groom and Rueben Fletcher are bound in the sum of £200 to marry at Ampney Cruis
Record : 3655
Entry No: 102
Year: 1764
Month: June
Day : 18
Groom age at Marriage: 25
Groom condition: Batchelor
Rank/Profession : Mason
Groom residence: Windrush
Bride Surname: RUTTER
Bride Forename: Ann
Bride age at marriage: 26
Bride condition: Spinster
Bride residence: Ampney Cruis
Marriage by: Licence
Signature: He signs
Event type: Marriage Allegation
Memoranda: sworn before J JONES to marry at Ampney Cruis
(and in the same year at Windrush another JACKSON - this time Thomas, but also a Mason was married)
Record No: 57120
Entry No: 126
Month: Dec
Day : 8
Groom Condition: Batchelor
Groom Rank/Profession: MASON (other record give his age as 25)
Groom residence: Windrush
Bride Surname: LOCK
Bride Forename: Sarah (other record gives her age as 39)
Bride Condition: Widow
Bride residence: Windrush
Marriage by: Bond
Signature: He signs
Witness 1: Edmond DAY a Yeoman of Windrush
Witness 2: Simon HUGHES
other witnesses: R. HARDING
Event type: Marriage Bond
Memoranda: the groom and Edmund day are bound in the sum of £100 to marry at Hampnet
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Thank you Capetown,
Really interesting. I never thought there'd be Jackson info on FoD!
I have seen the Southam Will, but it's quite a 'simple' document and only mentions closest family members.
Thanks again
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On the Forest of Dean website the Licences/Bonds cover many places in Gloucestershire - not just the Forest of Dean area..... (203 JACKSON'S)
'Gloucestershire Marriage Licence Allegations and Marriage Bonds
Gloucestershire Marriage Licence Allegations cover the period 1637-1837 and are those allegations which were sworn before surrogates and at the Diocesan Registry in Gloucester' etc etc.
'Gloucestershire Marriage Bonds (1730-1823) have been added to the Marriage Licence Allegations database' etc. etc. the bonds also contain useful information about the occupations of the groom and the witnesses.......
A most valuable resource
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However I have spotted an older Rowland Jackson (or Roulandi Jackesone) who was Church Warden in 1665 and 1668, and whose wife Joane (or Jone or Joannae) died in 1669. It seems they married at Sherborne in 1635 and had a son, Thomas, in 1640.
Thanks, MDean, this adds to the information. I have records of Rowland and Joanna, but was unaware he was a Church Warden, nor of their marriage and her death. What was her maiden name? They had children Joanna (bapt Windrush 4 March 1636, bur 6 March), Elizabeth (also bapt 4 March 1636 (twins?)), Dorothea (bapt 25 Jan 1635), and Thomas was bapt 31 May 1640.
Could this be the Thomas who married Susanna about 1671?
He could well be.
Record No: 61405
Entry No: 89
Year: 1764
Month : June
Day 18:
Groom Surname: JACKSON
Groom Forename: Rowland
Groom Rank/Profession: Mason
Groom residence: Windrush
Bride Surname: RUTTER
Bride Forename: Ann
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Residence: Ampney Cruis
Marriage by: Bond
Signature: He signs
Witnesses: Reuben FLETCHER a Blacksmith of Ampney Cruis
Sealed and Delivered in the presence of John JONES
Event type: Marriage Bond
Memoranda: The groom and Rueben Fletcher are bound in the sum of £200 to marry at Ampney Crucis
Thanks, Capetown - yet more jigsaw pieces! This would have been the second son of Rowland Senior to be called Rowland, b. 1738. I didn't know he was a mason, too.
(and in the same year at Windrush another JACKSON - this time Thomas, but also a Mason was married)
Record No: 57120
Entry No: 126
Month: Dec
Day : 8
Groom Condition: Batchelor
Groom Rank/Profession: MASON (other record give his age as 25)
Groom residence: Windrush
Bride Surname: LOCK
Bride Forename: Sarah (other record gives her age as 39)
Bride Condition: Widow
Bride residence: Windrush
Marriage by: Bond
Signature: He signs
Witness 1: Edmond DAY a Yeoman of Windrush
Witness 2: Simon HUGHES
other witnesses: R. HARDING
Event type: Marriage Bond
Memoranda: the groom and Edmund day are bound in the sum of £100 to marry at Hampnet
I have a record of this marriage, but in Hampnett in 1748 (not 1764), which tallies with Thomas' age of 25 when he married, and his birth in 1724. Is the transcription correct? I didn't know he was a mason, either.
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Correction...
8 December 1748
Thomas JACKSON aged 25 married Sarah LOCK a Widow aged 39 - Widow, both of Windrush - By licence, to marry at Hampnett
getting confused with
15 September 1762 - Marriage Allegation
Thomas JACKSON aged 24, Batchelor, Mason of Windrush
Elizabeth NEWMAN aged 24, Spinster, of Windrush
to marry by licence and to marry at Windrush:
7 Jan 1776 - Marriage Allegation
William JACKSON, aged 38, Widower, Stone Cutter of Windrush
Elizabeth ASHBY aged 28, Spinster, of Windrush
to marry by Licence and to marry at Windrush
21 December 1777
Joseph JACKSON of Windrush
Sarah NIND of Windrush
marriage by: Bond
Witness 1: The mark of Francis SMITH a Mason of Windrush
14 July 1801
James LORD over 21, Batchelor, a Mason of Windrush
Mary JACKSON over 21 Spinster, of Windrush
marriage by : Licence to marry at Windrush
27 Dec 1805
Anthony JACKSON - Stone Mason of Windrush
Jane TAYLOR
Marriage by: Bond
Witness 1: The mark of Jonathan TAYLOR of Shireborne
17 September 1812
Thomas TOWNSEND over 21, Batchelor of Great Barrington
Elizabeth JACKSON aged 19, Spinster of Windrush
marriage by Licence: to marry at Windrush
Transcriber's Notes: With consent of brides father Anthony JACKSON who signs
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Thanks for the correction, Capetown, and for listing the other JACKSON marriage allegations.
Was there supposed to be a consistent interval between posting the allegations and the actual marriage? From the above records, and the marriage dates I do have, it seems this could be anything between 1 and 5 days.
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Hi there Duport and Capetown,
The marriage at Sherborne was between Rowland Jackeson and Jone Jones on 06 APR 1635. This was followed by the baptism of Dorothea on 25 JAN 1635/6 (January 1636, in the Ecclesiasic year 1635 which ended in March 1636)
I think the marriages of Thomas in 1748; Rowland in 1764 and (possibly) William in 1776 are those of the children of Rowland and Mary whose gravestone is in Windrush Churchyard. Another brother, Benjamin married in Reading after a Sarum Marriage Licence Bond of 20 APR 1770.
Said Benjamin was a mason in Reading until his death in 1816. Two of his sons (also Masons) seem to have been Insolvent Debtors in Reading in 1829! (Source: London Gazette)
Additionally a Rowland Jackson (Stone Mason) hired apprentices at Reading in 1766 and 1767. I guess this is the son who married in 1764. I have no other information about him.
Best Wishes MDean
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when
'Anthony JACKSON - a stone Mason of Windrush married Jane TAYLOR by Bond on the 27 December 1805.... The mark of Jonathan TAYLOR of Shireborne' (from the N. Gaze. 1868 - Sherborne is approx 3.5 miles East of Northleach, Gloucestershire, Village is situated on a branch of the River Windrush)
Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations
16 October 1806
John TETT of Sherborne married Mary TAYLOR of Sherborne : By Bond
witness 1: The mark of Jonathan TAYLOR of Sherborne + Thomas & Lucy Ireland.
The groom and Jonathan TAYLOR are bound in the sum of £200 to marry at Sherborne.
Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD
Jonathan TAYLOR married Mary MEALE at Sherborne - 26 August 1784
and buried at St Mary Magdalene Sherborne
Jonathan TAYLOR aged 72 - 5 March 1835
Mary TAYLOR aged 85 - 19 June 1848
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However I have spotted an older Rowland Jackson (or Roulandi Jackesone) who was Church Warden in 1665 and 1668, and whose wife Joane (or Jone or Joannae) died in 1669. It seems they married at Sherborne in 1635 and had a son, Thomas, in 1640.
Rowland Jackson married Jone Jones at Sherborne 6 April 1635.
I looked to see if the allegations unearthed by Capetown were actually followed by marriages.
Here are some:
14 July 1801
James LORD over 21, Batchelor, a Mason of Windrush
Mary JACKSON over 21 Spinster, of Windrush
marriage by : Licence to marry at Windrush
The marriage took place on 16 July 1801.
17 September 1812
Thomas TOWNSEND over 21, Batchelor of Great Barrington
Elizabeth JACKSON aged 19, Spinster of Windrush
marriage by Licence: to marry at Windrush
Transcriber's Notes: With consent of brides father Anthony JACKSON who signs
This marriage took place on 24 September 1812
It's a pity the marriage records don't have the additional information (particularly the ages of the bride and groom) that the allegations & bonds do!
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Hello everyone, I just discovered this excellent thread and wonder if anyone might be able to confirm or dismiss a brick wall theory.
My 3rd Great-Grandmother was Maria Jackson, she married James Herbert in Aldsworth on 7th November 1822. Census returns variously estimate her birth as 1797 in Aldsworth (1841), 1799 in Aldsworth (1851, mistranscribed by Ancestry), 1795 in Aldsworth (1861) 1797 in Bibury (1871). Her burial record suggests 1796. BUT - no birth record traced.
I'm currently limited to Ancestry & LDS records - There don't appear to be any BMD records for Jacksons in Aldsworth, or Bibury - however Aldsworth is a very short distance from the stonemason families of Windrush, so I'm theorising Maria's parents came from there.
The most likely household seems to be that of Anthony Jackson, who's first wife Ann (according to LDS) had children Elizabeth (3rd Sept 1794-) and Susanna (17th July 1796-18th May 1798) before her death in 1797 (A21.Tomb Stone: Ann, w/o Anthony JACKSON 2 April 1797). Was my Maria a third child of this marriage? Evidence supporting this is her 1822 marriage record, one of the witnesses was James Jackson = Anthony had a younger brother James baptised in 1772. Also Anthony's eldest Aunt was a Maria, baptised 22nd Aug 1763.
The 1841 census shows a 60-year old Thomas Jackson living alone in Aldsworth - Anthony had a younger brother Thomas baptised 3rd Feb 1775.
So theoretically, my Maria could be the daughter of Thomas (he would have been a rather young father though, and I've not traced a marriage for him), or she could be daughter of Anthony of his first wife Ann, who was raised by her uncle Thomas perhaps. I've no evidence though - can anyone help? A baptism record for Maria would really sort it out!
As mentioned earlier in this thread, Anthony re-married Jane Taylor on 27th Dec 1805 and had several more children, I wonder if it might be the reason my Maria lived in Aldsworth rather than Windrush.
Many thanks!
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Although you can't find any more JACKSON's BMD IN Aldworth's -
If you look at the Forest of Dean Family History website
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/
(free to register)
Under the heading
Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823 - lots of JACKSONS's including
two records for No. 11656 and 72870
13 November 1809
Joseph JACKSON over 21, c1788 Batchelor, residence: ALDSWORTH ***
Sarah WICKS - over 21, Spinster, resident: Sherborne
Marriage by Licence and by Bond
He Marks
witness 1: William GILLETT a Yeoman of Sherborne
The groom and William GILLETT are bound in the sum of £200. To marry at Sherborne
This marriage is on Ancestry, and says Joseph JACKSON is of Ratley, and William GILLET and John JACKSON are witnesses.
You will also find in the same Marriage Bond etc
Anthony JACKSON of Windrich - to marry Anne CLIFFORD at 6 December 1793 at Stow
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Gloucestershire Baptism Index Cd starts after 1813
Baptism at Compton Abdale St Oswald - Eliza : 19 March 1815
Joseph (labourer) & Sarah JACKSON
and Ancestry has
Thomas JACKSON christened at the same place June 1812 - same parents. He can be found on later census, in Warwickshire, born Compton Abdale.
Joseph JACKSON aged 66 born Aldsworth and a Widower is on the 1851 Census as a Patient in Gloucester St Owen and on the 1841 census aged 55 on his own at Compton Abdale
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Many thanks Capetown
I logged into the Forest of Dean Family History website as suggested, sadly there don't appear to be any entries for Maria Jackson.
I noticed the reference to a Joseph Jackson in Aldsworth, estimated c.1788 birth. It's a curious entry - if related to my Maria then perhaps a brother, if I could identify his parentage it would perhaps give some pointers (a 1788-born brother would of course rule out Anthony & Ann Jackson as parents, as they only married in 1793). Ratley is in Warwickshire, near Banbury, so a considerable distance away - the other possibility is that this Joseph is not in fact related, and moved to Aldsworth from Ratley as an adult.
Several possibilities, but what's lacking is any firm reference to Maria Jackson. Hence my brick wall :)!
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I've searched for the birth of a Joseph Jackson in Ratley, but haven't found anything matching him, or any other Jackson in the area.
P.S. I was going to post a snapshot of Maria's marriage record but the Forum doesn't appear to allow images now?
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If you look on Ancestry for baptisms at Aldworths as JACKSONS and not JACKSON (see marriage of Adam JACKSONS.
You fill find all the children at Aldsworth including
Maria JACKSONS - 11 August 1799 - parents: Adam and Elisth
Joseph JACKSONS - 28 November 1784 - parents: Adam & Eliz
William JACKSONS - 19 April 1789 - parents: Adam & Eliza
Eliz JACKSONS - 4 September 1791 - parents: Adam & Eliza
James JACKSONS - 23 February 1794 - parents: Adam & Elizabeth
(you will find James JACKSON on the 1851 census, aged 60 born Aldsworth living in Whittington, Glos, with his wife Mary - born Aston Blank and son Adam - aged 19 - born Shipton)
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Adam JACKSON (no S) - 13 December 1795 - parents: Adam & Elizabeth
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Ancestry has the marriage at Aldsworth - 23 April 1821
Ann JACKSON married Thomas KENDALL
witnesses were: Adam JACKSON and Maria JACKSON
Ancestry : Bishops Transcripts, Thomas KENDAL was a Widower of Great Barrington
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? Marriage at Upton St Leonards - 18 November 1772 (both of this Parish)
Adam JACKSONS and Elizabeth RACKLEY ? by Licence - 18 November 1772
(see burials listed below)
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? This could possibly be the children of Thomas & Ann (Mary)** at Stow on the Wold - christian names seems familiar (note: my x grandmother was sometimes named as Mary or Anne on her children's baptisms records)
Thomas (was a Shoemaker)
Richard - 26 January 1823
Thomas - 8 August 1824
Maria Elizabeth - 7 January 1827
Sarah - 20 July 1828
Joseph - 26 September 1830
William - 5 December 1837
Mary KENDAL buried at Stow - 20 January 1839 aged 37
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Ancestry
1841 census, Stow
RENDALL / KENDALL
Thomas - 45 Bill Sticker
Maria Elizabeth - 15
Sarah - 13
Joseph - 13
Ann - 5
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1851 Census, Stow on the Wold
Thomas KENDALL - 54 Widower - Cordwainer & Sub-Bailiff - born Glos Great Barrington
Ann - 15
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Had a quick look at the Gloucestershire Burial Index CD (which starts from 1813)
Burials at Aldsworth
Adam JACKSON - aged 73 - 11 February 1827
Elizabeth JACKSON - 24 November 1837 - aged 82 (from Northleach Union Workhouse)
Thomas JACKSON - 15 August 1849 - aged 67 (from Northleach Union Workhouse)
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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD from 1800
At Aldworth
James JACKSON married Hannah RANDALL - 14 September 1823
At Chedworth
Richard JACKSON of Aldsworth married Sarah HOLLAND - 19 November 1806.
Daughter : Jane Christened at Chedworth 15 May 1808
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There is on Ancestry:
UK Royal Chelsea Hospital Pensioner Solder Service Record
Richard JACKSON age abt 37 birth abt 1776 of Allsworth, Gloucestershire, 1813-1830: 56th Reg of foot
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To get some idea of the population prior to 1841 census etc.....
Gloucestershire Population tables from 1801 ' til 1901 - (every ten years) and the acreage can be found on
http://www.coaley.net/
(under the heading Local History)
Aldsworth in 1801 had 288 inhabitants etc etc
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The Forest of Dean Family History has the benefit of being able to search by witness only - may be going through the Aldsworth Marriages - Jackson's may be witnesses to other wedding.
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Look for family christian names used each generation...
Children of James & Maria HERBERT inc
Elizabeth - 2 February 1823, Aldsworth
Anna Maria - 11 December 1825, Coln St Aldwyn
William - 31 October 1830, Coln St Aldwyn
Jane - 13 September 1835, Coln St Aldwyn
My x Great Grandfather : is on the 1841 Census for Coln St Aldlwyn - the page before your Jackson family !!! so our ancestors obviously knew each other.
**On the baptism records sometimes of his children at Coln : parents names given sometimes as John & Mary and sometimes, John & Anne
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Oh my Goodness!! This is exactly what I've been looking for! How strange that the simple addition of an 's' to the surname completely removed these records in online searches! I stand in awe and respect, thank you Capetown!!
A fair amount to absorb and sort through so I'll get on with it, this opens up this line of my tree at last, very glad to know we might be related!
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**On the baptism records sometimes of his children at Coln : parents names given sometimes as John & Mary and sometimes, John & Anne
I notice on the LDS site there's a marriage of an Adam Jackson to Sarah Mason 29 October 1781
St. Mary-De-Lode's, Gloucester, in addition to the 15 November 1772 marriage at Saint Leonards Upton to Elisabeth Rachley (or Rackly as it's spelled on LDS), so it seems these are separate families. Curiously both have a daughter Maria, born at very different dates. As these marriages are a distance from Aldsworth they could be of different families to my tree, in the case of the 1772 marriage why would there be such a gap before the eldest recorded child Joseph in 1784?
A lot to uncover of course!
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My 3rd Great-Grandmother was Maria Jackson, she married James Herbert in Aldsworth on 7th November 1822.
The most likely household seems to be that of Anthony Jackson ... Anthony's eldest Aunt was a Maria, baptised 22nd Aug 1763.
Although it looks very much as if Capetown has found your missing Maria (well done!), I haven't found any records for Anthony having an aunt Maria. Was she a Jackson by birth or marriage? The parents of Anthony (b. 1766) were Thomas & Elizabeth, and Thomas's siblings go from James (1733) to Benjamin (1751), all bapt. in Windrush. I haven't come across a Maria b. 1763. Can you give me her bapt. details?
What do you think, Capetown, about there really being 2 distinct families, JACKSON and JACKSONS?
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Glad to have helped, although we are not related - at least our Ancestors lived very close to one another.
Fortunately, once again, The Forest of Dean records have come up 'trumps' and by searching JACKSONS this time. There are 53 JACKSONS listed in the Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations etc. another one from Upton St Leonards - later date.
Two records (this is combined)
18 November 1772
Adam JACKSONS - aged 21, = C1751 Batchelor, Labourer, residence: Upton St Leonards
Elizabeth/Betty RACKLEY - aged 21, Spinster, residence: Upton St Leonards
by Licence and Bond
He marks
Witness 1: the mark of John WELLS a labourer of Rendcombe
The groom and John WELLS are bound in the sum of £500. To marry at Upton St Leonards
Transcriber's notes: The bride is Betty aka Elizabeth.
As regards S not being there - in our family tree - we have the S at the end of the surname dropped even by brothers in the 1850's.
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Re: Richard JACKSON - who was in the 56th Reg Foot
He is on the 1851 census at Rodmarton, Gloucestershire
Richard JACKSON (Pensioner, Chelsea, Reg, Foot, born Aldsworth) and wife Hester (born Tetbury) - although the enumerator has written an S at the end of JACKSONS
and he is also there on the 1841 census
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Hi Duport
I haven't come across a Maria b. 1763. Can you give me her bapt. details?
My source was the LDS website, ( https://familysearch.org ) : "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPVV-P7Q : 30 December 2014), Maria Jackson, Maria Jackson; citing WINDRUSH,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 427,808, 855,683.
Name Maria Jackson
Gender Female
Christening Date 22 Aug 1763
Christening Date (Original) 22 AUG 1763
Christening Place WINDRUSH,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name Thos Jackson
Mother's Name Eliz
I'm sorry, this Maria would have thus been Anthony's eldest sister, not aunt, my mistake!!
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Re - Richard Jackson of the 56th Foot
Although he was born in Aldsworth around 1776 I can't see a birth record linking him as a child of Adam and Elizabeth (though I've just begun checking sources!).
The military connection is fascinating, the 56th (West Essex) Regiment of Foot suffered greatly in the West Indies campaign of 1794-97 and had to be re-raised, serving at the Helder under the "Grand Old" Duke of York 1799 and then later in India. Assumedly Richard was involved during these years.
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Checked first with Gloucestershirebdm - looking for a marriage around 1839/40 for a Richard JACKSON - and this lead to a marriage in 1841 which is transcribed on Ancestry.
Richard Jackson (Widower) residence : Rodmarten - married Esther Mackbridge at St Mary The Virigin in 14 May 1841 - and he gives his father as Adam JACKSON - labourer..
Where this couple are living 1841 and 1851 census (previous reply, along with details of his first marriage
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So Adam JACKSONS married in 1772 by Licence (probably because he hadn't lived in the area long enough to have banns read) - his witness was John WELLS a labourer from Rendcombe.
Richard was born c1776
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Just found on Ancestry - by going through the actual Register, page by page
so far Baptisms of
Elizabeth JACKSON - 13 February 1774 at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Eliza
Eliz JACKSON - 3 Sept 1791 - at Aldsworth dau of Adam & Eliza JACKSON ** burial probably
Ann JACKSON - 29 January 1775 - at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Elizabeth
John JACKSONS - 24 May 1778 - at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Betty
*William JACKSONS - 19 April 1789 at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Eliz JACKSONS - pauper
James 23 February 1794 - at Aldsworth : son of Adam & Elizabeth JACKSONS*
Adam 13 December 1795 - at Aldsworth: son of Adam & Elizabeth JACKSONS*
March 22 1807: Wm Son of Rich & Sarah JACKSON
Children could be baptised even as teenagers etc - have seen these late baptisms before and the register isn't always in order - entries can be made anywhere in the book!
Careful reading of these entries could also mean burials - e.g. wasn't sure whether William was a burial
Blank pages : then a burial of Susannah JACKSON - 30 October 1778
burial of Robert JACKSON - 14 March 1773
burial of Ann JACKSON - 6 October 1775
Most of the parents seem Paupers and lots of children being buried
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The register checked was from 1771 to 1812
there are two other books on Ancestry from 1571-1749 and 1683 to 1770 for Aldsworth - perhaps more entries for JACKSON(S) in there.
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Capetown, I'm incredibly grateful for all your help - thank you so much for checking through the individual pages!
I notice FindMyPast has a burial record for Adam in 1827, stating his age as 73, which suggests a birth around 1754. If that's the case he would have been only 18 if he married Elizabeth Rachley/Rackley in 1772, not 21 as claimed in the Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations etc.
The burial record for Elizabeth listed on FindMyPast: 24th Nov 1837 (St Bartholomew, Aldsworth), states her age as 82 (born 1755), which would have made her just 17 in 1772! Either some miscalculaton going on, or they lied about their ages.
I've not yet found any other Jackson or Rackley with connections to Upton St.Leonards yet, but still looking....
Clearly however, it seems the Windrush Jacksons and those of my family were entirely separate, at least in the mid-1700's.
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Checked first with Gloucestershirebdm - looking for a marriage around 1839/40 for a Richard JACKSON - and this lead to a marriage in 1841 which is transcribed on Ancestry.
Richard Jackson (Widower) residence : Rodmarten - married Esther Mackbridge at St Mary The Virigin in 14 May 1841 - and he gives his father as Adam JACKSON - labourer..
Where this couple are living 1841 and 1851 census (previous reply, along with details of his first marriage
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So Adam JACKSONS married in 1772 by Licence (probably because he hadn't lived in the area long enough to have banns read) - his witness was John WELLS a labourer from Rendcombe.
Richard was born c1776
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Just found on Ancestry - by going through the actual Register, page by page
so far Baptisms of
Elizabeth JACKSON - 13 February 1774 at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Eliza
Eliz JACKSON - 3 Sept 1791 - at Aldsworth dau of Adam & Eliza JACKSON ** burial probably
Ann JACKSON - 29 January 1775 - at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Elizabeth
John JACKSONS - 24 May 1778 - at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Betty
*William JACKSONS - 19 April 1789 at Aldsworth: parents: Adam & Eliz JACKSONS - pauper
James 23 February 1794 - at Aldsworth : son of Adam & Elizabeth JACKSONS*
Adam 13 December 1795 - at Aldsworth: son of Adam & Elizabeth JACKSONS*
March 22 1807: Wm Son of Rich & Sarah JACKSON
Children could be baptised even as teenagers etc - have seen these late baptisms before and the register isn't always in order - entries can be made anywhere in the book!
Careful reading of these entries could also mean burials - e.g. wasn't sure whether William was a burial
Blank pages : then a burial of Susannah JACKSON - 30 October 1778
burial of Robert JACKSON - 14 March 1773
burial of Ann JACKSON - 6 October 1775
Most of the parents seem Paupers and lots of children being buried
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The register checked was from 1771 to 1812
there are two other books on Ancestry from 1571-1749 and 1683 to 1770 for Aldsworth - perhaps more entries for JACKSON(S) in there.
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It is often both extremely useful and interesting to read the registers and gives a feel of the community (and handwriting).
Many burials in Aldsworth - around 1700's list the people being buried in Woolling and has one page in 1770 listing the cost of the people's burials in L.S.D. - some costing £57 7s 6d and others £1.00
Also entries such a burial December 1739 - A stranger dying of extremity.
The earlier register has another burial of
Charles JACKSON - was buried in Woolling - 15 July 1752 - can't see any earlier marriages or baptisms of JACKSONS.
So earliest entries are:
Burials
Charles JACKSON - 15 July 1752
Robert JACKSON - 14 March 1773 (this is when Adam/Eliza start having children christened) **
Ann JACKSON - 6 October 1775 (this could be the daughter of Adam)
Susannah JACKSON - 30 October 1778 **
*** Susannah JACKSON - christened 11 May 1777, parents: Adam & Elizabeth
(unfortunately as per norm - no ages given)
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Agricultural labourers moved from area to area depending on 'crops/harvesting' etc - sometimes moving into other Counties - i.e. Wiltshire.
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Forest of Dean forum does have in their Marriage Bonds etc Section
Robert JACKSON - (Widower) Sandhurst
marrying
Elizabeth BENNETT - (Widow) residence: Pendock
by Licence: 27 February 1731
Transcriber's Notes: Old style date 1730/1
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These suggest varied potential origins for my Jackson/Jacksons line, as you say, they may very well have drifted from place to place as itinerant labourers. If this is the correct marriage (I say 'if' as I still have a touch of doubt due to the fair distance of Upton St.Leonards from Aldsworth and the unusually young age of Adam & Eliza at marriage) ... the couple may have been the first from their families to settle in Aldsworth, which complicates research!
I can't find any mention of a place called 'Woolling' in the area though.
Many thanks for looking into the parish documents - yes I always take advantage of Ancestry's 'open' days to access the original records when I can, but for the rest of the time am limited to the standard subscription.
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Buried in Wooling - means they were clothed in Woollen when they were buried - this is mentioned over decades in the records.
Up until the 1929 Marriage Act, Girls could marry at 12 and Boys at 14 . My x Grandmother (christened 23 November 1810) married in Maisey Hampton, Glos in 3 May 1824 was just about 13/14 years old and first child christened 14 November 1824. Aged 30 . 1841 census - Died in 1868 aged 59.
http://www.marriagerecords.me.uk
Click on the left
iv. Marriage Act 1929.
On the same website regarding the 1753 Marriage Act..... goes onto say, couples who needed parental consent - got away with this by marrying in other Parishes etc. Stopping the parents hearing the Banns.
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On the same website regarding the 1753 Marriage Act..... goes onto say, couples who needed parental consent - got away with this by marrying in other Parishes etc. Stopping the parents hearing the Banns.
So it's possible Adam and Elizabeth deliberately married in Upton (a parish they had no apparent connection to) in order to avoid parental interference?
What about the limitations of moving around (removal orders etc)? - would the local parish have not objected?
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Hi, I'm hoping that there is still someone around from this thread who might have some pointers for me.
I lived at Ley Mary Farm (the 'Lammarys' mentioned upthread) as a small child (I lived in a house that had been converted from one of the original barns in the late nineteen-seventies), and am doing some research into the previous inhabitants - I wonder if anyone can help me? I have found information from the census but this only goes back so far and I'm interested in finding out the inhabitants (including servants/staff) going back all the way to the construction of the farm. Is it possible to find this?
I am also interested in finding out whether there were any accidents or untoward incidents in the farm at any point as I had some rather strange experiences as a child and am interested in finding out whether there's any historical/supernatural basis for these. (I am sceptical about the supernatural but would love to find out whether there really is a reason for the things I experienced!)
Many thanks
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Hi Lammaris. As you say, the censuses only take you back so far, and you then have to look at parish records (baptisms, marriages, burials), which are in the Gloucestershire Archives (and maybe on FindMyPast). As you probably have the Lammary's residents in 1841, work backwards from then through the church records for them. Have you tried to find their gravestones in the churchyard?
The Ley Mary Farm doesn't appear on the Sherborne Estate maps from 1825, so it wasn't owned by Lord Sherborne then. You could also look through the online catalogue for the Glos. Archives for records that mention the farm.
Might I suggest that you give a copy of your findings to the local history society?