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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: A to G => Topic started by: Neko on Monday 19 July 04 17:54 BST (UK)
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I am missing many twigs and branches from my Cross family tree, and I would love to hear from anyone with connections to non-conformist Cross's.
my Cross family's earliest known ancestor was Edmond Cross of Woodbridge, Suffolk. he may have been the son of Edmond Cross and his wife Anne, of Framlingham, Suffolk. Edmond Cross, Jr. moved to Woodbridge and by 1654 was forced to baptise his children in St. Mary's church, Woodbridge. by 1655 he'd had his fill of the Church of England and joined the Quaker faith. some of his descendants remained in the Quaker faith for over 200 years or more, but some left quickly, disappearing into other non-conformist faiths. two of which I know descendants went into are Independant and Wesleyan Methodist. unfortunately, they didn't join as a group, so I've only found one family in the Independant church and one family in the Methodist church. until and unless more non-conformist records get extracted and made available online, I wait and hope to hear from cousins...but that has, as yet, been a very slow process. I have heard from a handful over the last 17 years, but I am eager to hear from the rest.
please contact me if you have any knowledge of Cross's in non-conformist records, or any connection to non-conformist Cross's.
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The Cross family have been in Flamborough, E. Yorks since the 1600s. They were primitive methodists.
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intriguing....I've never traced any Cross's into Yorks except in the case of Lucy Cross of Colchester who married Arthur Waterfall. the Waterfalls were Yorks residents and she removed back to her husband's home town. their descendants are still in Yorks to this day. the Waterfalls have been researching their ancestry for quite some time so that branch just fell into my lap.
I'd love to hear more about your Methodist Cross's.
my own direct line was Wesleyan Methodist after they left the Quaker faith. I don't know if Primitive and Wesleyan are the same or not. I haven't run into any P. Methodists in my lines so I haven't researched them.
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The Cross family were based in Flamborough and some moved to Bridlington and Hull, and other nearby spots. They are easy to trace due to the tradition in Flamborough of giving males their mother's maiden name as a second name. The other names that have cropped up are Cammish, Emmerson, Tanton and a few others. The name Watefall has not appeared nor has Lucy as a family name. Although they were methodists they all seem to be buried in the C of E churchyard - ST Oswald's at Flamborough, St Oswald was a northern saint King of Northumbria, I thought he would be connected to the sea but seems not. Most of the families in Flamborough were fishermen or farmers.
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my Cross's were in Woodbridge, moving on to Walton and then Colchester. they started out as grocers, then moved on to cabinet making, cordwaining, linen draping and grain factoring. several early ones were yeomen.
as for naming traditions, I find few of that, though one line has 5 generations of Edmond Cross's-maybe more, I got stuck at the most recent one. otherwise the "tradition" was to use the most common given names in all families and generations! Mary, John, Joseph, and Elizabeth ad nausea. one tradition that started comparitively late is a string of Aubrey Cross's. I have yet to find where anyone is buried outside of a Friend's burial ground. the family that turned Methodist left for America (my branch) and are buried in various cemeteries around Pennsylvania and Ohio. non-denominational cemeteries.
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I was intrigued to see the name Arthur Waterfall in relation to Colchester. I have an Arthur b 1867 Hyson Green, Notts, son of Charles & Selina Waterfall. Charles was in Colchester for the 1851c, and his sister Eliza was born there (parents Abraham & Ann Waterfall). I didn't find any others in the whole of Colchester other than this family.
I have not traced them to Yorks at all, but they are believed to have been Quakers and did tend to move about a bit. Do you have access to Quaker records?
regards
Doreen
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I know that the people you mention are a part of the tree...well, if I understand correctly, all Waterfalls are of the same tree...anyway, I know I recognise those names. I just don't have them in my files because they are collaterals. part of a differant branch than the one I am related to. somewhere in my paper files I have more on the Waterfalls, if I kept it-there was alot on people I'm not related to in it. but my plate is so full right now I hardly have time to read my emails, so a search will have to wait. we may have to move before I can get to searching. I think there's a large Waterfall file at GenesReunited and perhaps at WorldConnect, as well.
I only have access to Quaker records through the Mormon library. I haven't been able to use the one nearest our home, but haven't tried the one in the next town over. We moved here 4 years ago and it seems we haven't had much free time since. now zoning's changing and we're up and preparing to move again.
got to serve dinner now. I've got sinus pressure and am not thinking clearly, so if this isn't very clear, let me know and I'll respond again. also, email me in several weeks and see if I've had time to look for the papers. my other half has cataract surgery, so I'm a bit distracted, ferrying him hither and yon...I do really want to help you, though. so it's ok to "nag", in fact, it's appreciated!
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:) Ok, when you get an opportunity I would appreciate it if you can look at your Waterfalls file for me. No hits on GR nor WorldConnect, and I hadn't thought of the LDS Centre...haven't been over there for ages because it's open at odd times for me.
Good luck
Doreen
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Hi,
I do not know which faith my Cross's are in but they come from Essex. Do yours?
Regards
Hollie Brock
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hi, Holly,
yes, I have a lot of Cross's in Colchester, from at least 1736 to 1880's maybe a handful earlier and later, and some scattered around in Essex. I'd love to hear from you regarding your Cross's, who they were, where they lived and the time frame.
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Hiya,
The earliest Cross i have is John b.1750ish in Mount Nessing? Essex. He married in about 1772 to Sarah Stileman.
They had a son William b1783ish (christnd 2.7.1783 in Gt. Warley, Essex. He married Ann Green 1808 in Navestock (she later remarried).
william and Ann had 3 children together :
Maria b1816
William b.1820
George b 1827
William b1820/1 married Eliza Stains and had Emma Cross b1854 Navestock and Rosetta b.1865
Ring a bell?
Hollie
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doesn't ring an immediate bell, Hollie, but I'm missing the descendancies of several ancestors. I do have one John born in that period, and we don't know what happened to him.
have you looked the children up in the parish records? are they CofE or non-conf?
my John b. 4 Mar 1751 (old calender) in Colchester to Edmund Cross and Hannah Hawkins, both of Colchester Meeting.
Edmund was b. in Walton, Suffolk and he and his descendants, as well as his brother Peter and his descendants, were in and around Colchester for many generations.
, Emma, Maria and William are common names in the family, George much less common and Rosetta unheard of.
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unfortunatly i havn't looked them up on parish records. Mainly because my mum's cousin has found all this out and i havn't had a chance to look for any more info on them. I was thinking of looking up William Cross b1821ish in the 71 census and going from there. I'll do lots of research on this tonight and post if i find anything else out.
Regards
Hollie Brock
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hope I'm not teaching you what you already know...
he may be at FamilySearch.com in the IGI. the Mormon church extracted all the British CofE and a few non-conf. parish records some time back. see if you can contact your cousin, if possible. that will give you some more information. it would be fantastic if our John's were one and the same. I was recently contacted by a man who wondered if we might be related, but neither of us had enough data to go by. between my digging on the net and his purchasing records, we eventually succeeded in proving he was descended from one of my collateral branches that had been a mystery to me. I hope the same turns out for this one, though it's too early for records...
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Hiya,
Yes, i had searched on the familysearch.org website.
I have not found out much about william cross b1783 however i have more details from the William Cross b1821:
William Cross b1821 Navestock His wife, Eliza ( i have been told Stains) b.1827
d1902 Ongar d1902 Ongar
They're children:
William Alfred b1848 married Ann Corp Children = Florence and Alfred
Emma b.1854 married Benjamin Fitzjohn Children = 8
Ellen Eliza b.1859 married Charles Sarling Children = don't know
Rosetta b.1865 (apparently)
Walter Charles b.1868 Not sure about wives and children yet.
Does any of this help yet?
Hollie Brock
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no, nothing, yet. I think we will have to wait until you've got something on John...mine was #12 of 13 children, many of them died young so the names are repeated-Edmund, Mary, Hannah, Sarah, Joseph and John are the children's names, but most of them are repeated several times. Joseph, John and Mary are the only single use names. we don't know what happened to John and Mary, I descend from Joseph, one Edmund did survive, he and Joseph m. sisters Mary and Martha Mayhew. we also don't know what happened to the last Hannah in the family. so we may have oodles of cousins out there and not know it.
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Ok then,
How would i go about getting more information about John b1750? Is there anything i can do on the internet?
Hollie
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I have just been looking at another site, and wondered if these people were connected to you:
1 John Cross b: August 02, 1815 in Saint Martins, Colchester, Essex, England d: January 18, 1863 in Murfreesboro, Rutherford, Tennessee http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::203.html
There is also this person: 1 Hannah Lydia Cross b: January 13, 1818 in Trinity, Colchester, Essex, England d: February 25, 1897 in Navarre, Stark, Ohio
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::204.html
James Cross b: July 27, 1820 in Trinity, Colchester, Essex, England d: May 02, 1883 in Washington, DC http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::205.html
1 Josiah Cross b: October 04, 1822 in Trinity, Colchester, Essex, England d: March 23, 1890 in Saint Louis, Missouri http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::206.html
William H Cross b: September 28, 1811 in Saint Martins, Colchester, Essex, England d: February 05, 1863 in Nashville, Davidson, Tennessee http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::202.html
Joseph Aubrey Cross b: August 13, 1807 in Saint Botolph, Colchester, Essex, England d: April 28, 1893 in Lancaster, Lancaster, Pennsylvania http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::201.html
Joseph Cross, b. Jun 2, 1782, Colchester, Essex, England m. Hannah Smith (listed as Hannah Miller in family papers) b. Dec 12, 1785, of Colchester. They came to America around 1845, settled in Lancaster, PA. http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::60.html
The lady also says: I have a lot of info on this family, but some area's still need to be covered. I also have their ancestry back to 1646, much to be found yet on more distant lines, will share what I have.
Peter Cross, son of Peter Cross and Mary Wilkenson of Woodbridge, Suffolk, England, m. in 1762 in Colchester, Essex, England to Elizabeth Burnham, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Hewers Burnham.
Peter and Elizabeth had children; Peter, Elizabeth, Sarah, Margaret, Joseph, Wilkinson and Hannah.
Peter had a brother Edmund of whom I know very little.
wish to hear from cousins http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?essex::cross::1034.html
Hollie
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I've just found this about John Cross
Parents:
Father: WM. CROSS Family
Mother: ELIZTH.
That is at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp
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I don't suppose anyone here knows of a Charles Henry Cross? born aprox. 1894. I know it's a quite recent date, but i can't find anything further back from that, all I have is a marriage certificate. From what I can still gather on the certificate, Charles Henry Cross' fathers name was David.
My Charles Henry Cross was married in Sowerby to a lady named Eliza Lofthouse, whose family had been in Sowerby for quite sometime.
From what my grandfather says, Charles was from the essex area. He has also mentioned Wakefield.
Any clues?
Claire
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Clairec,
lots of Cross's in Essex, apparently not all related...not that I'm able to sort them all out...have you checked the 1891 for David?
Hollylianne,
I have several Wm Cross's, most with wives but a few without-unfortunately those without are born mid to late 1800's. more data will be needed...perhaps yet another generation back.