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Title: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Wednesday 11 February 15 01:19 GMT (UK)
Could you please decipher the written answer to question #14 Destined to:
Thank you.
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: Boydie on Wednesday 11 February 15 01:34 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Looks to me like - cousin,
                          Rockland, Canada

A bit bigger clip might help with place name..

Joan
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: chinakay on Wednesday 11 February 15 01:51 GMT (UK)
Cousin D? o'Malley?

Rockhaven. It's in Saskatchewan and they were giving away tons of free land there. Even today Rockhaven only has 6 streets, have a look at a map...it's all farmland.

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Thursday 12 February 15 01:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your help Boydie and China. Yes I see Rockhaven now. Can you make out the text between Cousin and O'Malley? I'm so happy to have found this forum, it makes all the difference to me.  Thank you again!!!
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: Boydie on Thursday 12 February 15 02:36 GMT (UK)
Hello again,
I think it just says

cousin, Mr ( or Mrs) B O'Malley.

Kind regards from Joan
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Thursday 12 February 15 11:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks Joan, I'll give that a try but I'm having some difficulty finding this family on census. But, I haven't given up yet.
Cheers, Nina
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: josey on Thursday 12 February 15 11:54 GMT (UK)
I agree with Joan, Mr(s) B OMalley [no apostrophe...]

What year is this - so what years of census are we looking for?

Josey

Whoops just saw image title  :-[
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Thursday 12 February 15 12:23 GMT (UK)
If my relative moved to Rockhaven in 1924, I was trying to look at the census of 1916 and 1921 to see if I could find anything on his cousin relatives. However, I found nothing for 1916 because I was able to narrow down the district and sub district that uncovered Rockhaven, then browsed though and found nothing. On the other hand for 1921 I'm wondering if the subdistrict is different. I'm having no luck coming up with Rockhaven. Although I realise there's still much I could learn on how to search.
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: josey on Thursday 12 February 15 12:56 GMT (UK)
From wikipedia
Rockhaven is a special service area in Cut Knife Rural Municipality No. 439, Saskatchewan, Canada. The population was 20 people in 2006. The community is located 56 km west of the City of North Battleford between highway 40 & highway 787 southeast of Cutknife on the Canadian Pacific Railway line.

I found a John OMalley in Battleford in 1911 aged 25

EDIT Have removed further details am I am not sure whether 1911 Canada census is covered by same copyright rules as the England/ Wales...I suspect not as it is available via automatedgenealogy.com.

Can't see him in 1921 though...
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: Dulaigh on Thursday 12 February 15 21:21 GMT (UK)
Bro...ther B O'Malley
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: josey on Saturday 14 February 15 13:31 GMT (UK)
Do you know where & when Vincent was born? His parents' names? Names of any brothers to his father, to give cousins names O'Malley?  Where Vincent was living before he emigrated? If Vincent immigrated in 1924, we should be able to find most of the family on the publicly available 1901 & 1911 Ireland census - though it is a fairly common surname.

If the John O'Malley immigrated in 1907 we should be able to find him whether or  not he is a relative; I will look for a B O'Malley [not forgetting that some ancestry transcriptions have the 'O' as a middle initial rather than part of the surname, or with no apostrophe - so *Malley is a more useful search.

We'll find him......Josey
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Saturday 14 February 15 13:58 GMT (UK)
Vincent was born in Kirkham, Lancashire in 1900. He appears on the 1901 and 1911 census. As the earlier posting of the 30A states, he moved to Canada in 1924. This document refers to his last place of residency as being Rosturk, Mayo and that his grandfather is Patrick Omalley. Vincent's parents are Patrick Mally, born Rosturk and Alice Kilcoyne born Kirkham. I have his grandparents Patrick and Bridget (nee Moran) on the 1901 and 1911 census in Rosturk. On the 1901 census it shows three brothers, John born 1878, Thomas born 1883 and John Thomas Malley born 1897 - these are Vincent's uncles. Thanks!
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: josey on Saturday 14 February 15 15:16 GMT (UK)
1921 in Saskatchewan only *Mall*y I can only see:

Michael OMalley [transcribed on ancestry as Amalley] aged 34 born Ireland road master immigrated 1912 with wife Celia aged 26 born Ireland immigrated 1918 daughter Margaret M aged 1 born Alberta all RC; living in Simpson St, Wilkie, Battleford - RG312 Folder 150 Battleford p 13.

James OMalley aged 41 born Ireland blacksmith anglican immigrated 1909 wife Olive aged 45 born Ontario methodist living in Harris, Kindersley - RG 31; Folder 152 Kindersley p 4. In later US directories there is a James A OMalley with wife Olive B in Pennsylvania.

I assume you have the border crossing of Vincent in 1929, arrival contact aunt Catherine Philip, departure contact father Patrick. I think I can make out under 'nearest relative' - 'none in Canada'.

It's possible that the cousin 'B' OMalley immigrated after the 1921 census.

I will concentrate on looking for Patrick jnr's brother marriages & possible children although of course the term cousin may have then been used less rigidly than today.

Is John Thomas 1897 not Vincent's brother - he appears as grandson aged 4 born England with Patrick snr & Bridget in 1901?
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Saturday 14 February 15 18:43 GMT (UK)
The O'Malley's of my family are all Roman Catholic, so that helps to whittle things down a bit. I did know that John Thomas is Vincent's brother, my apologies if I said otherwise. I suppose it's possible that B O'Malley emigrated later than 1921 but as yet I don't know of a B O'Malley unless it's a female, Bridget? I struggled trying to find marriages for Patrick Junior's brothers because there names are so popular so they could be one of several. I'm only looking at indexes so I can't tie them in. Yes, I have the boarder crossing document of 1929 but have difficulty reading some of it.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Saturday 14 February 15 21:28 GMT (UK)
I have found an index for a marriage between Michael O'Malley and Celia Burns in 1915 Westport, Mayo. HOwever, RootsIreland marriage records only go up to 1900 so I don't know how else I can find the details of the marriage?
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Saturday 14 February 15 23:41 GMT (UK)
Josey, I can see now what you mean by 'none in Canada'. That's interesting. There's a lot more on this form that need deciphering, can you help with that? Perhaps I'll post it, as I think I'm supposed to. Thanks.
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: josey on Sunday 15 February 15 14:53 GMT (UK)
I'll have a go but it's really poor quality. If you do post more, don't post the while thing at a time - copyright issues. It will be worth looking at some others which might help with working out what the questions are!! I'll have a ago at Patrick jnr's brothers marriages to when I get a chance.

BTW - where is Vincent in 1930, 1940? Have you found aunt Catherine Philips nearby?
Title: Re: Decipher Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A
Post by: kiwi2011 on Sunday 15 February 15 19:48 GMT (UK)
Shanreagh, Ambly and gaffy, I think you've done an amazing job and I am so grateful to you. Yes I do have the document for him going to Saskatchewan. However, I'm not able to find him on a 1930 U.S. census on Sedgwick, Chicago. I also looked for Catherine Phillips at this location but no luck. Vincent does have an Aunt Catherine and also I couldn't find a marriage to a Phillips, I'll keep looking. I have also tried locating him at Rockhaven (or family) but no luck there either. Although, I'm sure I have much to learn with regards to scouring through census info, so they could very well appear. Yes, his family is from Rosturk, Mayo and Vincent was born in Kirkham, Lancashire England. Kind Regards.