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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Brian87 on Thursday 05 February 15 22:40 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any knowledge of Laverac Hall, Hipperholme as it was recorded in the 1841 census?
My GG grandfather (George Ibbotson) and his family were recorded there as were another family of Ibbotsons, though I've not yet made a connection with the latter.
On the census sheet in question, 7 separate families are recorded as residing in Laverac Hall and i wondered if it was a workhouse or some other communal dwelling.
Thanks in advance
Brian
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Try here:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/l.html#l1172
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Thanks for the quick reply.
Yes, I'd tried that but unless I'm missing the obvious (not unusual) it's not telling me what sort of dwelling or establishment it was.
Regards
Brian
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This does not answer your question but Laverock Hall is marked on this map:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eot/
Sadly it no longer exists and has been replaced by bungalows. Part of one of them seems to follow the foundations of Laverock Hall (I cannot see the house number on google maps but you will be able to find it I'm sure).
Generally if this was some kind of institution such as a workhouse I'm not sure you would see so many families living together. These people all seem to be employed, none are listed as inmates, so I wonder if this might be workers being put up by management, though the variation in occupations makes me doubt that. But, I may well be wrong. :)
Can anyone find Laverock Hall in the 1851 census to see who is living there? :-\ I had a look on Find My Past but got no results, but I find FindMyPast impossible to find my way around, and others may have more luck.
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Thanks Ruskie
Your reasoning makes sense, maybe it was a 19th century apartment block!!
Re Find My Past, I'd agree, in fact some of the facts I'd found a couple of years ago with them I can no longer find!!
Brian
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Yes, I'm not sure what kind of dwelling it could have been - it seems to have been quite large and situated by itself in countryside rather than in the centre of the town with only scattered buildings nearby.
I can't see any obvious industry on the map which may have employed these people. I have looked for workhouses and poorhouses but can't see Laverock Hall mentioned.
Perhaps others may have better searching skills and may be able to find mention of it.
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Just had a look through what I've got on the area, to no avail. I'd hoped I'd find it in an excellent little book -"lost houses of the West Riding" by Edward Waterson and Peter Meadows, but it's not in there. Perhaps the library local to Hipperholme may be able to help?
I've actually come upon several establishments that once were substantial "gentry" houses that, in their decaying days have become occupied by several different families - often very poor, with a room each, but it did happen in several areas. I found one ancestral family as one of eight families, three related, in an old Hall.
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That sounds like a reasonable possibility Yorky. I also think it is a very good idea to contact a library local to Hipperholme. Or maybe a local historical society. :-\
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Hi all, have been trying for anything to help this thread, the only odd thing is that on the 1861 RG09/3275/64/16 Hipperholme cum Brighouse, there is a Gawbut Hall, Safe? Hall and Bottom Hall in close proximity, the last has a family of 3, that is if it is Bottom Hall and not Hill!
Keyboard86
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Hi Keyboard. I can see a Slead Hall on the old map I linked to, but neither of the others, though I know it can be deceptive when following the enumerator's route as places are often not as close as you would expect them to be.
I also know that some places called "Hall" are not always as grand as we might expect them to be, or the word Hall has a slightly different meaning.
I can't see any obvious industry on the map which may have employed these people.
I didn't look too carefully before, there are Quarries located south of Laverock Hall.
There is also the possibility of a name change for Laverock Hall I suppose.
Added: Quite a few mentions of Bottom Hall on the net and Gawbutt Hall gets a mention in Calderdale Companion.
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Hi Ruskie, Bottom Hall comes with address Lightcliffe if that makes sense?
Keyboard
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:o
Bottom Hall Farm
Bottom Hall Cottage
Bottom Hall Viaduct
Bottom Hall Beck
Bottom Hall Bridge
Bottom Hall Farmhouse
But I found this :):
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/390896
Located in the centre of this map:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eps/
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And Gaubert Hall in the centre of this map:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ept/
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Everyone, thanks for your research.
I'd been relying on my email to update me on conversations and somehow it's gone to sleep!
Regards
Brian
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There are these 2 references in the West Yorkshire Archive catalogue:
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=HER%2f20%2f7&pos=26
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=HER%2f42%2f22&pos=27
Josey
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Extract from
http://www.yorkshireindexers.info/wiki/index.php?title=Brighouse_-_Slead_Syke_and_Neighbourhood
"Several old farm houses in this township are designated halls, Originally – a hall meant a manor-house. ......, we reach that very old farm, Laverack Hall. There is a Laverock Hall near Keighley, and Caer Laverock Castle in Scotland. A family of this name lived in the township a century ago. I believe the name is derived from the Saxon – laverc – a lark. .... Mr. Walker was till recently the owner of Laverack Hall."
Helga
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Everyone.
Thanks very much for your digging, greatly appreciated. Yet more stones to turn over and paths to explore. I was at a dead end but now have a few more ideas.
Cheers
Brian