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Help needed to trace Elizabeth Fawn..... FAWN Elizabeth arrived in SA 1849-06-20 aboard Florentia from London via Plymouth 49-03-09 Source:6,20 (T MITCHELL),30 She married Thomas Mitchell 23rd Mar 1850. However when I checked the ship.....barque Florentia, 453 tons, Captain C.S. Tindale, from London & Plymouth 9th March 1849, arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia 20th June 1849 she is not listed as a passenger. Her marriage is listed in BMD. I am hoping a certificate is available so that I can trace her parentage. What I have at present on http://roy1939.tribalpages.com/ and publc tree ancestry.com I think is completely wrong. Roy
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She is aboard the Florentia in June 1849:
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/florentia1849.shtml
Aged 21, no other details or obvious other family aboard.
Jo :)
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She is aboard the Florentia in June 1849:
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/florentia1849.shtml
Aged 21, no other details or obvious other family aboard.
Jo :)
Thanks jom. I've found her. Scrolled down and checked the whole list. No family makes me wonder why she emigrated. I want to trace her husband too. Looks like he arrived in SA from Tasmania
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Do you know when Thomas Mitchell arrived in South Australia? There is a Thomas Mitchell departing George Town, Tasmania for Adelaide on 29 Dec 1845 on the Margaret. (on the Linc Tasmania website http://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names).
Also a Thomas Mitchel departing George town for Adelaide on 6 July 1846 on the Raven.
If you know any more details about him this is a good website for free records. ;)
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Aussie Roy you have posted your request on the Resources and Offers board. It needs to be on the main Australian board. I will ask a moderator to move it.
Lots of resources for South Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0
Cando
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I am hoping a certificate is available so that I can trace her parentage
Certificates in South Australian have scant information. Little more than the indexes.
Marriage certificates do not list the fathers of the bride and groom until 1857.
Information on BDM certs in SA
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.msg738037#msg738037
Cando
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Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 Not always 100% accurate and this appears to be submitted information.
MITCHELL Thomas
Parents Samuel and Mary Ann nee PICKNELL
Born 24 Jun 1817 Cuckfield SSX ENG and died 2 May 1871 Kadina, SA
Buried Payneham SA
Arrived in 1836 DUKE OF YORK
Occupation Miller, Butcher
Lived Kadina, Stepney Religion Church of England
Married 23 Mar 1850 Adelaide SA Elizabeth nee FAWN born 27 Mar 1827 Horsham SSX ENG
Died 12 Feb 1914 Stepney SA
Arrived 1849 FLORENTIA
Children Elizabeth Anne SCRIVENER 1851-, Walter 1854-1938, Frances Maria BENGER 1856-1937, Samuel 1857-1930, Mary Amelia 1858-1939, William Henry 1865-1947, Emma
Adelaide WINGROVE 1867-, Julia Rose SPRINGBETT, Emily Alice 1870-1914.
FAWN Elizabeth
Baptism 3 Aug 1828 Horsham,Sussex,England
Parents William and Elizabeth
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1836DukeOfYork.htm
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849Florentia.htm
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28601240
The South Australian Advertiser 8 May 1871
MITCHELL.—On 2nd May, at Kadina, Mr. Thomas Mitchell, late of Stepney, aged 51 years.
Photo of headstone at Payneham Cemetery - available on request. Please ensure you mention cemetery and photo and file number.
Email address here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/cemetery_index.htm
MITCHELL Thomas (born Cuckfield Sussex 1817 died 1871, arrived 1836, Elizabeth(Fawn) 1827-1914, Emily Alice 1914, Mary (Squires) 1891, Mary Amelia 1939 age 80, William Henry 1949, Henrietta 1952, Kenneth 1901, Charles 1899, Donald 1920
Photo Number 2771 File 3
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5413192
The Advertiser 13 Feb 1914
THE FRIENDS of the late Mrs. ELIZABETH J. MITCHELL are respectfully informed that her Remains will be Removed from her late Residence, Ann street, Stepney, on FRIDAY, at 2.30 p.m, for interment in Payneham Cemetery
G. J TREVELION Undertaker,
Phone 748 Magill road, Norwood.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5414897
The Advertiser 18 Feb 1914
Mrs. Elizabeth Mitchell, who died at Stepney at the age of 86 years and 11 months, arrived in South Australia by the ship Florienshire, in the early part of 1849.
She was married to the late Mr. Thomas Mitchell at St. Luke's Church in March, 1850. She left three sons - Messrs. Walter Mitchell (College Park), S. Mitchell (Port Pirie), and W. H. Mitchell (St. Peters), and six daughters - Mrs. Scrivener (near Houghton), Mrs. Burgess (Evandale), Mrs. Springhill (Strathalbyn), Mrs. Wingrove (Mile-End), and Misses Amelia and Emily Mitchell (Stepney).
Cando
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Aussie Roy you have posted your request on the Resources and Offers board. It needs to be on the main Australian board. I will ask a moderator to move it.
Lots of resources for South Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0
Cando
Sorry..... one of my many senior moments
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Do you know when Thomas Mitchell arrived in South Australia? There is a Thomas Mitchell departing George Town, Tasmania for Adelaide on 29 Dec 1845 on the Margaret. (on the Linc Tasmania website http://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names).
Also a Thomas Mitchel departing George town for Adelaide on 6 July 1846 on the Raven.
If you know any more details about him this is a good website for free records. ;)
I have nothing more than the marriage to Elizabeth Fawn. Hoping marriage records will provide more
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I have nothing more than the marriage to Elizabeth Fawn. Hoping marriage records will provide more
Aussie Roy
Reply#5
Certificates in South Australian have scant information. Little more than the indexes.
Marriage certificates do not list the fathers of the bride and groom until 1857.
Information on BDM certs in SA
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.msg738037#msg738037
And another obituary with slightly different married surnames for the daughters.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article163122786
The Observer 31 Feb 1914
Mrs. E. Mitchell.
The death occurred at Stepney on February 2 of Mrs. Elizabeth Mitchell, at the age of 86 years and 11 months. As a single woman (Miss Elizabeth Fawn) she arrived in South-Australia by the ship Florienshire in the early part of 1849, and was married to the late Mr. Thomas Mitchell at St. Luke's Church in March, 1850.
With the exception of eight years spent near Wasleys, the deceased lived in the city and suburbs.
She left three sons—Messrs. Walter Mitchell (College Park). S. Mitchell (Port Pirie),and W H Mitchell (St. Peters): and six daughters — Mrs. Scrivener (near Houghton), Mrs. Benger (Evandale). Mrs. Springbett (Strathalbyn), Mrs. Wingrove (Mile-End), and Misses Amelia and Emily Mitchell (Stepney).
Are you a descendant?
Cando
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Just wondering what makes you think Thomas may have arrived from Tasmania? There are a few Thomas Mitchell's arriving in SA in the early c19, including the one I guess is on the tree you have, arrived 27 July 1836 (crew) from London on the Duke of York.
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Maddy I assume you are aware that the Colony of South Australia first immigrants arrived 1836.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/SAShips1836.htm
The MITCHELL headstone at Payneham Cemetery appears to be quite detailed. I have posted the info on a previous post.
The family information is not a tree but submitted information. BISA is is a biographical work containing approximately 100,000 entries of South Australians who were born or arrived in the colony during this period. The information was gleaned from research by the South Australian Genealogy and Heraldry Society in archives, public records, private papers, and letters of administrations as well as contributions from individuals. It is a valuable resource for historians.
It isn't always 100% accurate as the information is taken from paper based records including newspapers for many of the passenger arrivals. The survival rate of ships manifests in South Australia is poor. I always attempt to validate the information but I'll leave that to Aussie Roy.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1836DukeOfYork.htm
Information on its crew and passengers is in the REGISTER, June 28th 1894, page 4h.
Information for the DUKE OF YORK's crew and passengers is in the REGISTER February 25th 1911, page 49e.
The Log Book for the DUKE OF YORK's voyage in 1836 by Captain Robert Clarke MORGAN available to view in the South Australian Archives.
There are lots of links in the South Australian Resources section.
If you are having any difficulties searching just ask for help.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thanks for all this information. Tracing the Australian end has become easier. I was hoping for written confirmation that Elizabeth was the daughter of William and Elizabeth... Elizabeth Fawn Baptism Date: 3 Aug 1828 Baptism Place: Horsham, Sussex, England Father: William Fawn Mother: Elizabeth (Bedford) FHL Film Number: 1041543 Reference ID: item 3 p 279. I would seem so. Why she emigrated alone will remain a mystery. No convicts came to South Australia but I find that her father and siblings weren't exactly honest according to what I have found on ancestry.
The same with Thomas Mitchell, no definite confirmation that he was the son of Samuel and Ann. He may have been a convict. Something I am checking on.
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Thomas MITCHELL was not a convict. He was a seaman and a member of the crew of the DUKE of YORK.
Hundreds of young girls and young woman emigrated to South Australia and many alone. I don't see that Elizabeth's emigration from England to be any different to many others who were looking for a better life.
Roy I would treat any online trees you may have found with a deal of caution, some reach into the realms of genealogical fantasy ::)
The information on the submitted information on BISA appears to have been well researched and well before the internet. Compiled by 1986. I found with my own and OH's families that much of the family history had been taken from parish registers in England and Ireland by relatives visiting on holidays.
You have copied and pasted the baptism information from Ancestry and rootschat guidelines are that you must transcribe the information.
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article58609776
The Register 1911
Article about the DUKE of YORK - our earliest ship
Cando
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You have copied and pasted the baptism information from Ancestry and rootschat guidelines are that you must transcribe the information.
Cando
[/quote] I copied and pasted from my family tree on ancestry I have PAID for that, It's mine. I pasted it to here and made alterations so it is NOT an exact direct copy
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This might help other searchers
I have found via facebook someone who provides FREE photos of graves around South Australia............http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/
She sent me photos of Mitchell and Fawn graves. Lo and behold, all the information I needed is the on plaques. E-mail address available (message me)
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This might help other searchers
I have found via facebook someone who provides FREE photos of graves around South Australia............http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/
She sent me photos of Mitchell and Fawn graves. Lo and behold, all the information I needed is the on plaques. E-mail address available (message me)
Aussie Roy
Are you reading all the information posted on the thread.
I gave that link to you in reply#7.
The website is well known to researchers and is included in the FREE links South Australian Resources at the top of the board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0
Have a browse as you may find some other links that will help you with your research.
Photo of headstone at Payneham Cemetery - available on request. Please ensure you mention cemetery and photo and file number.
Email address here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/cemetery_index.htm
MITCHELL Thomas (born Cuckfield Sussex 1817 died 1871, arrived 1836, Elizabeth(Fawn) 1827-1914, Emily Alice 1914, Mary (Squires) 1891, Mary Amelia 1939 age 80, William Henry 1949, Henrietta 1952, Kenneth 1901, Charles 1899, Donald 1920
Photo Number 2771 File 3
Cando
Good luck with your research
Cheers
Cando
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Aussie Roy
Are you reading all the information posted on the thread.
I gave that link to you in reply#7.
The website is well known to researchers and is included in the FREE links South Australian Resources at the top of the board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0
Have a browse as you may find some other links that will help you with your research.
[/quote] Aussie Roy Unfortunately I don't read everything. My brain runs ahead and I miss things. I'll try to read all.
My next problem is with Emma Mitchell dau of Thomas and Elizabeth b 1867. She married a bit late in life 1906 to Clarence James Wingrove who is proving to be an elusive character. Ancestry comes up with b. 1872 Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, I have father Alfred, mother Mary Ann Wheeler. No birth registered in England or Aus. These parents are probably correct as it seems a child was born at sea
Name Wingrove or Wingroves
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1877
Birthplace: Merchant Marine, at Sea, Great Britain Father's Name Alfred Wingrove Mother's Name Mary Jane Wheeler
Can anyone explain ?
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Roy I find it helps to jot things down as I read posts and that gives me time to absorb the information. Often initial excitement at finding new information can cause one to miss small snips that are important in the big picture.
Cando
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From Biographical Index of South Australians.
WINGROVE Alfred Born c1845 England and died 3 Jun 1914
Buried Stirling SA
Arrived 1877 QUEEN of NATIONS
Occupation Agricultural Labourer, Squatter
Lived Nantawarra, Mylor Religion Church of England
Married Mary Jane born c1845 England Died 10 Jan 1910
Children Ernest c1867-1953, Walter c1870-m Clarence c1872-, Wm c18874-, Clara c1876-, Mary Jane 1877-, Louisa Jane 1881-1938 and Henry Edward Wheeler 1883-.
According to the 1851 census his father was Alfred and mother Keziah
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1838
BARTON Keziah Amersham 6/357
WINGROVE Alfred Amersham 6/357
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Births Jun 1844
WINGROVE Alfred Wycombe 6/429
Marriages Jun 1866
WINGROVE Alfred Wycombe 3a/625
WHEELER Mary J Wycombe 3a/625
1871 Census RG10/1404/16/24
Living at Tylers Green, Chipping Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
WINGROVE Alfred Head Married 25 years Born Penn, Buckinghamshire
WINGROVE Mary Jane Married Wife 26 years Born Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
WINGROVE Ernest F Son 3 years Born Islington, Middlesex
WINGROVE Walter Son 1 years Born Penn, Buckinghamshire
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Births Mar 1872
WINGROVE Clarence James Wycombe 3a/499
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article404746 26 Oct 1877
Immigrants expected to arrive on the QUEEN OF NATIONS with A Wingrove, wife and five children.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article73068097
Arrived 2nd Dec.
SA Records passenger search is not functioning again.
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/content/our-catalogue
This birth registered in South Australia - from my resource
WINGROVE Henrietta Hannah Eliza
14 Oct 1877
Father Alfred WINGROVE Mother Mary Jane WHEELER
At Adelaide Ade 192/340
You can search SA bdm
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Cando
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Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 Not always 100% accurate and this appears to be submitted information.
MITCHELL Thomas
Parents Samuel and Mary Ann nee PICKNELL
Born 24 Jun 1817 Cuckfield SSX ENG and died 2 May 1871 Kadina, SA
Buried Payneham SA
Arrived in 1836 DUKE OF YORK
Occupation Miller, Butcher
Lived Kadina, Stepney Religion Church of England
Married 23 Mar 1850 Adelaide SA Elizabeth nee FAWN born 27 Mar 1827 Horsham SSX ENG
Died 12 Feb 1914 Stepney SA
Arrived 1849 FLORENTIA
Children Elizabeth Anne SCRIVENER 1851-, Walter 1854-1938, Frances Maria BENGER 1856-1937, Samuel 1857-1930, Mary Amelia 1858-1939, William Henry 1865-1947, Emma
Adelaide WINGROVE 1867-, Julia Rose SPRINGBETT, Emily Alice 1870-1914.
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Cando
Thomas Mitchell born c1817 is in my tree, I believe the birthdate is inaccurate in Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, for a start it is a baptism date, not a birth date.
Thomas Mitchell b1817 is in Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England as a solicitor's clerk on both the 1851 and 1861 census so is not the same man that emigrated to Australia.
I see the Australian death register gives his age at death in 1871 as 51, giving a birth date of c1820. There is a baptism at Cuckfield for a Thomas Mitchell on 14th May 1820 son of Samuel Mitchell, labourer and Jane which would seem to be a far better match for the Thomas Mitchell who died at Kadina.