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Title: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Tuesday 03 February 15 15:52 GMT (UK)
G'day ... I hope someone may be able guide me in the right direction
Whilst researching the Walsh family (my partners forebears) I discovered that her grandfather and 2 of his brothers had served on the Western Front (1 being killed at Pozzieres). Off on the side of my research was an Ellen Walsh who was born in Narrabri New South Wales, a long way from my South Australian Walsh's so it took a while before I eventually decided to have a look at her. Her war service record and my further research reveals the following ...
she enlisted in the AANS 21st November 1914, aged 31
trade and calling - Nurse
she trained Perth Public Hospital (geesh!!, that's a long way from Narrabri ... how did that happen?)
she volunteered in 1914 and left for abroad in the first group of nurses and worked in hospitals and casualty clearing stations in Egypt, France and England as well as Lemnos (Lemnos being just across the water from Gallipoli and the first 'serious' major medical attention that seriously wounded soldiers would receive before being eventually evacuated to Malta)
she returned to Australia 18th February 1919
her army service record records her mother as I. ?. Walsh, 57 Young St., Parkside, South Australia (this address links her with my South Australian Walsh's, but what this link is, is evading me)
she resigned/demobilised from the military on 11th September 1919
her real name was Eleanor Loretta Walsh
sometime after she left the AANS in 1919 she married (perhaps in 1924) and her married name became Eleanor Loretta Harris (I have not been able to identify either her husband or children) however she had a daughter, miss T. Harris (as at 30th January 1968, a letter to Army records)
she died 8th December 1967 in New South Wales
on the 7th February 1968 it was decided by the authorities that she was not eligible for the special medal issued to Gallipoli Veterans
so, my question is what is the link that this Narrabri Walsh have with my South Australian Walsh's?
any help, assistance etc would be greatly appreciated ... thank you
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 03 February 15 20:44 GMT (UK)
Eleanor was born in NSW according to her military record.

NSW bmd

25972/1883    WALSH   ELEANOR LORETTA   
father  THOMAS   
mother  JOHANNA T   
District  NARRABRI
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: Spike H on Tuesday 03 February 15 20:46 GMT (UK)
She also appears to have been married in NSW to William H Harris (& Eleanor L)
1031/1920 Petersham
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 03 February 15 20:48 GMT (UK)
NSW death index

36780/1967    HARRIS   ELEANOR LORETTO   
father  THOMAS   
mother  JOHANNA THERESA   
district  ST LEONARDS

Ryerson index

HARRIS   Eleanor Loretto   
Death notice   08DEC1967   
aged   84   late of Beecroft   
Sydney Morning Herald   09DEC1967

You can request a copy from the below link
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cupoflife on Tuesday 03 February 15 21:00 GMT (UK)
SMH 9Dec1967pg92
HARRIS, Eleanor Loretto (nee Walsh),  December 8, 1967, late of 115 Beecroft Road Beecroft, dearly loved mother of Tess and Harry (Dr Harris), and dear mother-in-law of Muriel, loved grandmother of Christopher and Michael, aged 84 years. Requiescat in pace

http://www.maccem.com.au/Deceased-Search.php
HARRIS, Eleanor Loretto; DOD: 8/12/1967; Location: VAUGHAN CATHOLIC LAWN, ROW 44, Grave 0060
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 03 February 15 21:02 GMT (UK)
Funeral notice for a Johanna Walsh who was married to Thomas WALSH and who died in Lismore 1953

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article96534759

From NSW BDM http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

1953 WALSH Johanna at Lismore, parents Patrick and Mary. reg 13061/1953

There was another 1953 death for a Johanna Teresa WALSH in Lewisham but death notice says she was married to a William and gives children which do not include Ellen http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18371798 so I am discounting her.

regards
   Ros
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 03 February 15 21:05 GMT (UK)
I think Johanna died in QLD ??

Burial
Nudgee Cemetery   WALSH   JOHANNA TERESA            11/04/1935

http://vmsos.catholic.net.au:8008/mapguide/nudgee/public/?s=09BCB110171BB75BFF0A7A4A05C3734C819F52F8

Funeral notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36801387?

Cemetery record has the wrong year of death.
QLD death index
1936   B31191   Johanna Theresa   Walsh   father Thomas Foran   mother Catherine Casey
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 03 February 15 21:19 GMT (UK)
Im having trouble confirming which Johanna's death is the right one.
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 February 15 21:22 GMT (UK)
A sister ;)

28022/1885  WALSH Veronica M
Parents Thomass & Johanna T
At NARRABRI

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 February 15 21:34 GMT (UK)
A possibility for the death of the sister-

8631/1952  GIBLIN Veronica Maria
Parents Thomas & Johanna Therese
At HORNSBY
 
Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 February 15 22:34 GMT (UK)
Veronica married in England during the war.


Marriages Mar 1916   
GIBLIN  William E     
WALSH  Veronica M
Marylebone  1a 1471

Some Electoral Roll registrations in NSW as well as her death notice, suggest the practice of medicine continued in her family through her sons.

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 04 February 15 07:04 GMT (UK)
I think Johanna died in QLD ??

Burial
Nudgee Cemetery   WALSH   JOHANNA TERESA            11/04/1935

http://vmsos.catholic.net.au:8008/mapguide/nudgee/public/?s=09BCB110171BB75BFF0A7A4A05C3734C819F52F8

Funeral notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36801387?

Cemetery record has the wrong year of death.
QLD death index
1936   B31191   Johanna Theresa   Walsh   father Thomas Foran   mother Catherine Casey

A bit doubtful I would say-

 
QLD Electoral Roll
1903
Address-Kent Street Hamilton (Brisbane)

WALSH, Johanna Theresa. HD
WALSH Henry Alfred. Horse Trainer.

Henry Alfred WALSH is buried at Nudgee Cemetery with or adjacent to Johanna.
He died in 1915

Electoral Roll QLD
1925
Address- Factory Rd. Kingaroy.

WALSH, Johanna Theresa. HD
WALSH, Henry Francis. Labourer

It looks as if after her husband's death, this Johanna Theresa moved to live with her son whose initials in the death notice of 1935 , given by Giblet, match the name
Henry Francis.

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 04 February 15 07:21 GMT (UK)


she enlisted in the AANS 21st November 1914
   n4mv3t

Gave her mothers address as 57 Young Street Parkside. SA

Adelaide Advertiser
August 1914

 ......Let, 2 or 3 Unfurnished Rooms, suit couple; JL attendance if required. Apply 57, Young st.. Parkside ......


(this address links her with my South Australian Walsh's, 

In what way?
What is the name of the people at this address to whom you are connected?

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Thursday 05 February 15 03:41 GMT (UK)
wow! alot of help and I thank all who posted, particularly those who pointed me in the direction of the Giblin marriage ... now to reply to specific posts



she enlisted in the AANS 21st November 1914
   n4mv3t

Gave her mothers address as 57 Young Street Parkside. SA

Adelaide Advertiser
August 1914

 ......Let, 2 or 3 Unfurnished Rooms, suit couple; JL attendance if required. Apply 57, Young st.. Parkside ......


(this address links her with my South Australian Walsh's, 

In what way?
What is the name of the people at this address to whom you are connected?

Sue


Sue, ... my connection is through my lovely lady (whose tree I am researching, with her permission) whose deceased mother married a Walsh, her maiden name was Andrewartha ... and the Walsh connection to Young St, Parkside is due to an in memoriam notice in the "Advertiser" on the 7th September 1912 which reads ... "Walsh - In sad, but loving memory of my dear husband, and our dear father, Michael Walsh, who died at Young-st, Parkside, September, 7, 1909. R.I.P. Sadly missed. - Inserted by his loving wife and family"
Notices that Michael Walsh's widow places in later years where she names her sons (including my lady's grandfather) confirm that this is the correct Walsh ... Michael Walsh and his wife, Mary Agnes (nee Gapper) were my lady's great grandparents ...
and so when I saw 57 Young st, Parkside on Ellen Walsh's military paperwork I started to research her some more, but so far have not found an absolute family link.
Some of my research has suggested that the Parkside Walsh's may have a link to Walsh's from Victoria, and prior to that Walsh's in Tasmania
Ellen's forebears were in Victoria prior to Narrabri, and prior to that the line goes to Tasmania ... but nothing is set in concrete ... am still digging

Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: whiteout7 on Thursday 05 February 15 04:52 GMT (UK)
"On Saturday morning the death occurred', of Mr. Thomas Walshe, who for the past. 20 years was identified with Killarney Station, Deceased was a native of Tasmania. Deceased leaves behind him a widow,. three- daughters and one son. The eldest daughter,, Miss Mollie Walshe, entered the Gunnodah Convent" from Trove Au

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/104662275?searchTerm=Walsh%20Narrabri&searchLimits=

Doesn't seem right either, I think this mans wife was a an Esther but if Mollies mother was Johanna it might be another clue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sue21757 on Thursday 05 February 15 08:58 GMT (UK)
There are these deaths NSW

Johanna T Walsh 1924 67yrs Canterbury
Johanna Teresa Walsh 7/3/1953 Petersham.

Also

Johanna Walsh 9/5/1953 Lismore.
States in the funeral notice she is the wife of Thomas Walsh of Gundurimba.

Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Thursday 05 February 15 11:19 GMT (UK)
Birth
POWER  Johanna
Father John  Mother Bridget HALORAN
At Back Creek  1858  Reg#14333

Index to Wills, Probate and Administration Records
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Letters of Administration for...
POWER John  Contractor  Bendigo  26 Nov 1892 VPRS 28/PO unit 1199, VPRS 28/P2 unit 702; VPRS 7591/P2, unit 368
Mentions wife Bridget and children including Johanna WALSH.

Buried at White Hills Cemetery, Bendigo
http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp?id=105518
with his wife Bridget who died in 1894
http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp?id=105519

Marriage in Victoria
WALSH Thomas  Born Tasmania
POWER Johanna Birthplace not noted on the index
1879   Reg#1931

Births
WALSH Mary Aloysius
Father Thomas  Mother Johanna POWER
At Sandhurst  1880  Reg#18657

WALSH Richard John
Father Thomas  Mother Johanna POWER
At Sandhurst  1881   Reg#19360

25972/1883     
WALSH Eleanor Loretta
Father Thomas  Mother Johanna T
District Narrabri   

28022/1885 
WALSH Veronica M
Father Thomas Mother Johanna T
District Narrabri

WALSH with an E.  Mary and Nellie ?Eleanor

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article115386291
Freemans Journal  10 Sep 1898
MUSIC IN OUR CONVENT SCHOOLS
St. Joseph's High School, Gunnedah.— Intermediate Division : Misses Mary Agnes O'Donnell 92, Nellie Martin 84, Lela Frances Shanahan 82, Catherine Agnes Airey 79, Mary Frances Connelly 78, Mary Aloysius Walshe 72.

Convent of Mercy, Narrabri, — Junior Division: Misses Haidee M'Donald 96, Nellie Walshe 84

Deaths
14184/1899     
WALSH Thomas
Father Richard  Mother Mary
District Narrabri

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article104662275
The Catholic Press  11 Nov 1899
On Saturday morning the death occurred, of Mr. Thomas Walshe, who for the past 20 years was identified with Killarney Station. Deceased was a native of Tasmania.  Deceased leaves behind him a widow, three daughters and one son. The eldest daughter, Miss Mollie Walshe, entered the Gunnedah Convent some time ago, and was recently received as a nun at the newly-opened convent at Moree.  The other two young ladies are promising and notably gifted pupils of the Sisters of Mercy, Narrabri Convent. Hard as the bereavement is for Mrs Walshe and family to bear the son will be the mainstay of his mother and sisters, for whom general sympathy is felt, and whose sorrows are shared by all classes of the community. The funeral of the deceased took place on Sunday morning, tho obsequies being celebrated by the very Rev. Father Hearn.

Death - born c1857
11349/1924
WALSH Johanna T  67 years Canterbury
District Canterbury
17 Jul 1924

Buried at Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
WALSH Johanna T  67 years  19 Jul 1924  SEC*M2*10**1206

There is no headstone or marker.

Deaths
25366/1963     
WALSH Mary Aloysius
Father Thomas Mother Johanna Teresa
District Gunnedah

WALSH Richard John
Father Thomas  Mother Johanna Theresa POWER
At East Kew  60 years  1941  Reg#9123

And here's the connection to Western Australia.
Marriage
WALSH    Richard J        
COOKE    Mabel
District Boulder  Reg#5 1909

Australian Electoral Roll
WA 1909
WALSH Mabel Veronica  Boulder  HD
WALSH Richard John  Boulder  Mechanic
Victoria 1931, 1936, 1937
Living at 49 Holden Street, Fitzroy North.  Richard a mechanic.

Death
WALSH Mabel Veronica
Father COOKE William  Mother Ellen ROSSER
At Melbourne  57 years  1942  Reg#1618

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Thursday 05 February 15 12:58 GMT (UK)
Quote
she trained Perth Public Hospital (
According to the file she trained at Royal North Shore Hospital also
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=8347927&S=21&T=P

The address in the WW1 Service file for NOK - Mrs J T WALSH was C/- Mrs Martin 57 Young Street, Parkside.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=8347927&S=10&T=P

No street numbers listed on the electoral roll.

South Australian Electoral Roll
1909
MARTIN  George Gozzard Young Street, Parkside  Civil servant
MARTIN Henrietta Augusta  Young Street, Parkside  Home duties

WALSH Isabella Sarah  Young Street Parkside  Domestic
WALSH Mary Agnes Young Street Parkside Widow
WALSH Richmond John Young Street Parkside  Bootmaker
WALSH Ruby Ages  Young Street  Parkside  Home duties

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 02:01 GMT (UK)
"On Saturday morning the death occurred', of Mr. Thomas Walshe, who for the past. 20 years was identified with Killarney Station, Deceased was a native of Tasmania...... etc .....
Doesn't seem right either, I think this mans wife was a an Esther but if Mollies mother was Johanna it might be another clue
... thanks for this clue, Killarney Station is a long way from Narrabri, but the men went where the work was in those days and eventually (most times) returned to where "family" was, so as there were many Walsh's in Narrabri (including the baker and grocer) there could be a so far unfound association. Will keep this on the backburner  :)
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 03:27 GMT (UK)
There are these deaths NSW

Johanna T Walsh 1924 67yrs Canterbury
Johanna Teresa Walsh 7/3/1953 Petersham.

Also

Johanna Walsh 9/5/1953 Lismore.
States in the funeral notice she is the wife of Thomas Walsh of Gundurimba.
Yeppers, looking for Johanna Walsh and Thomas Walsh is nearly as bad as looking for Mary Smith and her hubby Charles Smith (a blacksmith in my own English tree) ... but got them sorted ;D I will look at those Johanna's and see how/if they fit ... many thanks
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 03:54 GMT (UK)
Quote
thanks for this clue, Killarney Station is a long way from Narrabri,

I think you will find that this particular Killarney Station mentioned in the obituary is in the Narrabri district.

http://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/buchanan-william-frederick-170
Buchanan, William Frederick (1824–1911)
The death of Mr. William Frederick Buchanan, at the age of eighty-seven, has removed one of Australia's most prominent figures from pastoral circles. Killarney Station, in the Narrabri district, is one of the best-known properties in New South Wales

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 04:01 GMT (UK)
It seems in the light of the above, to reasonably speculate, Thomas and Michael WALSH were brothers
Each seems to have a son named Richard John and we know Richard is the name of the father of the Thomas WALSH who died near Narrabri.




No street numbers listed on the electoral roll.

South Australian Electoral Roll
1909
MARTIN  George Gozzard Young Street, Parkside  Civil servant
MARTIN Henrietta Augusta  Young Street, Parkside  Home duties

WALSH Isabella Sarah  Young Street Parkside  Domestic
WALSH Mary Agnes Young Street Parkside Widow
WALSH Richmond John Young Street Parkside  Bootmaker
WALSH Ruby Ages  Young Street  Parkside  Home duties

Cando



 

1909 Sept 8th

V* MICHAEL WALSH (Boot Manufactuier) are respectfully informed that his Funeral will leave Ins late residence, Glen Osmond-road, Parkside, on WEDNESDAY, at 3.30 p.m., for the Catholic Cemetery, West-terrace.

There are numerous references in the South Australian papers to the Bootmaker Michael WALSH and his wife advertised it t for sale after his death.

Here is an Obituary. More than one address is given

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/167016377

I am no good at SA research at all, but can we see the parents of Michael WALSH who died in 1909?
It may be the case that Johanna was visiting her sister in law Mary Agnes WALSH.

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 04:03 GMT (UK)
Sadly SA death certs give no parental information.

Sue you may have missed this  :)

Quote
The address in the WW1 Service file for NOK - Mrs J T WALSH was C/- Mrs Martin 57 Young Street, Parkside.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=8347927&S=10&T=P

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 04:09 GMT (UK)
No, I didn't miss it, but the notices for Michael WALSH place him sometimes in Young Street ( no street number)  and other times another address in Parkside.


Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 04:11 GMT (UK)
ref « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 11:19 »
many thanks Cando, that's a heap of work and much appreciated, which I will now follow up on  :) ... can't get the wills probate mob to show the links you posted, I'll try again in the quieter hours.
... in some earlier reading I do recall Eleanor was also called Nellie, perhaps in her childhood.
... and am over the moon that you found W. Aust connection as that could/would explain Eleanor's (aka Ellen and/or Nellie) nursing training in Perth (I had noticed the Sydney Hospital on her service records and as it stated "Charge Theater Nurse" I assumed that she didn't want to "big note" herself when she volunteered). Will put more work into that area as Perth Walsh could be a relative
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 04:15 GMT (UK)
Quote
Will put more work into that area as Perth Walsh could be a relative

The "Perth WALSH" was the son of Thomas and Johanna and died in Victoria. :)

Who was Michael WALSH's father and where did he marry Mary Agnes ?

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 04:18 GMT (UK)
Best I could do. South Australia-

1881   127/257    WALSH    Michael J
GAPPER    Mary A

Just checking is Richmond John WALSH on the E. Roll a mistranscription for Richard.   

EDIT (sorry) I mean to say on the S Aust  E. Roll
Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 04:23 GMT (UK)
That's the marriage I had found in SA and the groom's father is Michael.

Quote
Just checking is Richmond John WALSH on the E. Roll a mistranscription for Richard.   
 

Just typed it as on my resource :).

Not listed among the 10 births to Michael Thomas WALSH and Mary Agnes GAPPER at Parkside.

Cando  :)
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 04:29 GMT (UK)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article128914533

The News 1 Feb 1935

WALSH -On February 1, at 3 Bevington road, Knoxville, Mary Agnes, dearly beloved wife of the late Michael Thomas Walsh, late of Parkslde, and mother of Richmond, George, Frank, Eddy. Bernie, Ruby, Gertie, and Cecilia; in her 75th year.
Requiescat in pace.

Funeral Notices
WALSH.-The Friends of the late Mrs. MARY AGNES WALSH widow of ;Michael Thomas Walsh, late of Parkside' are respectfully informed that her Remains will be Removed from her late Residence, 3 Bevington road, Knoxville, on SATURDAY at 2 p.m. to St. Raphael's Church, Young street, Parkside, thence for Interment in the Catholic Cemetery. West terrace.
FRANK J. SIEBERT. Undertaker, Phone 413. 47-49 Wakefield street.

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 04:34 GMT (UK)
Yes, So definitely Richmond, not Richard ::)
 
Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 04:38 GMT (UK)
he perhaps was Richmond because he was born in Richmond, Victoria (fact)   :)
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 04:49 GMT (UK)
WALSH Richmond John
Father Michael Thomas  Mother Mary Agnes GAPPER
At Richmond  1884  Reg#4883

I noticed a four year gap between births so wondered if perhaps they hadn't registered his birth in SA.

Where was Michael born and who were his parents?

Cando


Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 05:13 GMT (UK)
No, I didn't miss it, but the notices for Michael WALSH place him sometimes in Young Street ( no street number)  and other times another address in Parkside.


Sue
The other address is probably Marian St, which his widow was living at in 1916 when her youngest son was killed in WW1 ... I would guess that as a successful boot manufacturer Michael would have invested his profits  :)
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 05:14 GMT (UK)
Biographical Index of South Australians  1836-1885  Not always 100% accurate and these entry appear to be submitted information ie not compiled by SAGHS.

WALSH Michael
Parents Thomas and Elizabeth nee DEA
Born 4 Dec 1831 Charleville COR IRL and died 30 Aug 1908 Medindie SA
Buried West Terrace Cemetery
Arrived 1857 on the NAVARINO
Ocupation Shoemaker
Lived North Adelaide, Medindie
Religion Roman Catholic
Married 1/2  c1855 IRL Margaret nee DOODY Parents John and
Anne nee MOYLAN
Born 21 Jul 1830 Charleville COR IRL
Died 25 Nov 1879  North Adelaide SA
Children Thomas died infant, Ellen died infant, John 1856-, Michael Thomas 1858-1909 James 1860-, Mary Anne TAYLOR 1862-1927, Peter Daniel 1865-1936, Daniel 1867-1868, Agnes 1869-1931, Paul 1871-1960, Margaret MADDIGAN 1878-1932
Married 2/2  26 Jul 1880 North Adelaide SA Mrs Catherine RYAN born c1832 died 5 Jan 1894 North Adelaide.  No issue

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/navarino1857.shtml
Manifest states Michael WALSH residence was Middlesex.  Probably his place of residence at time of applying for an assisted passage.


WALSH Michael Thomas
Parents  Michael and Margaret DOODY.
Born 25 May 1858 North Adelaide  died 7 Sep 1909 Parkside SA  (Birth not registered)
Buried West Terrace Cemetery.  Occupation Bootmaker.
Lived Richmond, Parkside  Religion Roman Catholic
Married 18 Apr 1881 Nth Adelaide SA Mary Agnes nee GAPPER Parent George
Born 1860 Adelaide SA  Died 1 Feb 1935 Glenunga SA    (Formerly Knoxville)
Children Mary Agnes 1882-1923, Richmond John 1884-1953, Ruby Agnes 1886-1978, Gertrude
Frances 1888-, George Leslie 1890-1960, Herbert 1892-1894, Cecilia 1894-1955, Francis Raphael 1896-1977, Andrew Clement 1898-1916, Edward Hilary 1900-1958, Bernard Ernest 1902-1960

My comments in ellipsis.

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 05:16 GMT (UK)
Quote
The other address is probably Marian St

If this is in Unley it is Marion Street.  I know the area well. ;)

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 05:31 GMT (UK)
Quote
my connection is through my lovely lady (whose tree I am researching, with her permission) whose deceased mother married a Walsh, her maiden name was Andrewartha

Marriage
WALSH George  30 years  Status Single  Father Michael Thomas WALSH
ANDREWARTHA Iris Annie  25 years  Status Single  Father Frederick ANDREWARTHA
4 Jun 1921
At St Raphaels Church Parkside  Ade 287/868

Cando


Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 05:44 GMT (UK)
Quote
The other address is probably Marian St, which his widow was living at in 1916 when her youngest son was killed in WW1

It would appear that Andrew Clement WALSH enlisted using his brother's first given name [Richmond] and Ambrose to enlist in WW1.  He was not their youngest son.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=8361658&S=44&T=P

I cannot see a connection to Tasmania for this family.  Michael WALSH born Co Cork, Ireland emigrated to SA.

Why do you think there is a connection with Tasmania? 

Cando
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 05:54 GMT (UK)
Quote
my connection is through my lovely lady (whose tree I am researching, with her permission) whose deceased mother married a Walsh, her maiden name was Andrewartha

Marriage
WALSH George  30 years  Status Single  Father Michael Thomas WALSH
ANDREWARTHA Iris Annie  25 years  Status Single  Father Frederick ANDREWARTHA
4 Jun 1921
At St Raphaels Church Parkside  Ade 287/868


Cando
George Leslie, was with 11 Field Amb, spent 3 years looking for information (grave etc) of his youngest brother who died of wounds at Pozieres, France, July 1916 ... sadly there is no known grave ...
... I recently discovered that Iris had a child early in 1919, all facts are known

Doc
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 06:07 GMT (UK)
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The other address is probably Marian St, which his widow was living at in 1916 when her youngest son was killed in WW1

It would appear that Andrew Clement WALSH enlisted ....etc  He was not their youngest son.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=8361658&S=44&T=P

I cannot see a connection to Tasmania for this family.  Michael WALSH born Co Cork, Ireland emigrated to SA.

Why do you think there is a connection with Tasmania? 

Cando
not their youngest son?? ... ya mean I've got more to find? ;D ... thought I had them all ... Cecelia, Edward, Gertude, Richmond, Ruby, George, Francis, Andrew and Bernard ... so who am I missing?

ref. the Tasmania connection I recall a connection through the Victorian Walsh's, but that was quite a few months ago
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 06:13 GMT (UK)
 
The other address is Glen Osmond Road as you would have seen if you had read the link to the obituary which I included in Reply #21

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: cando on Friday 06 February 15 06:13 GMT (UK)
We can all read the digitised WW1 records on NAA :)

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article73064287
South Australian Advertiser   18  May 1874
POLICE COURT— ADELAIDE.
Monday May 18th
[Before Mr. 8. Beddome. P.M.]
Michael Walsh, shoemaker, charged with using indecent language, was fined 10s.
 
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47108270
South Australian Register  4 May 1882
Michael Walsh, bootmaker, pleaded guilty to using indecent language on two occasions at Margaret-street, North Adelaide, and was ordered to pay £1.10s

Now your original request was to see if there was a link between the WALSH families.  I cannot see one.

Clement Andrew was not the youngest son of Michael and Mary Agnes WALSH.  You haven't read all the info on the thread :)  It's all there.

What is the source of your information about the Tasmanian connection?

Cando


Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: n4mv3t on Friday 06 February 15 06:21 GMT (UK)
ooops, yes, was rereading posts and realised I had missed the info on the younger siblings

am rereading the whole thread  to find all the bits I've missed :)
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 06:23 GMT (UK)
ooops, yes, was rereading posts and realised I had missed the info on the younger siblings

am rereading the whole thread  to find all the bits I've missed :)

And the links included in the posts?
Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: sparrett on Friday 06 February 15 06:41 GMT (UK)
On 13th July 1914Mrs G G Martin was living at 113 Young Street Parkside (George Gozzard ??)


She found some jewellery dropped by a thief.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/6425113

Sue
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: Spike H on Friday 06 February 15 07:42 GMT (UK)
I've been following this thread with some interest. And the following is a complete aside so I apologise if anyone is offended.
Last week I started researching the descendants of the first South Australian to be selected to play Davis Cup tennis for Australia (v USA away in 1920/21). He also won the Doubles at Wimbledon in 1919.

Anyhow, one of the names that stood out was his father in law, George Gozzard Martin!

Small world, huh.
Title: Re: Ellen Walsh aka Eleanor Loretta Walsh (married name Harris)
Post by: Ciel1962 on Tuesday 24 March 20 00:16 GMT (UK)
Off topic a bit but my Charleville Walsh ancestors were also shoemakers. Mine settled in the Yass Valley of NSW