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I am trying clear up a brick wall regarding a Louisa Westmacott b 1828/29 (unsure) who married John Clayfield of Horsley in Stroud Register Office in 1851 and died in Australia 1894
There is 1 Louisa Westmacott on IGI but her birthdate/christening makes her 14 at marriage
Louisa Margaret Westmacott
Australia, Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
birth:
4 August 1837
christening:
2 September 1837
ST PHILIPS, SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
residence:
1837
New South Wales, Australia
father:
Robt Marsh Westmacott
mother:
Louisa Marian
I have a marriage record (see below) and yes I will send away for it as soon as I organise a safe payment method.
This marriage record lists her name as Wesmincot and IGI list her as Wennicot
I read in Phillimores Gloucester Notes series that even Shakespeare had trouble with the Gloucestershire dialect! A discussion was had how Woodmancote is/was pronounced Wincott in one of the Bards works. So I don't even know if it was Westmacott.
Only that in the SA BDM records does it say Westmacott ( apart from the mis-spelt Wistmacott for Maria C(l)ayfield
The 4 children they had in Horsley were listed as Mothers Name Westmancote x 2 , Westmancot x 1 and Westmancott x 1 ???
Hope I haven't been a pain and I hope I haven't confused people.
Much appreciation in advance
D
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Marriage is on FreeBMD:
December qtr 1851
Stroud district vol 11, page 716
Clayfield, John
+ and on the same page +
Wennicott, Louisa
Puzzled about the reference to an Australian baptism?
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Hey
Yes I have that marriage. I was trying to point out the many different spellings of Westmacott which is hindering my search for her parents.
I used the baptism to point out the only Louisa I found was too young to be married to John Clayfield
:)
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A possible from 1841?
Class: HO107; Piece: 374; Book: 2; Folio: 6; Page: 7
Cumberland Street, St Pauls, Bristol
Westacott, Elizabeth F 32 L of Houses(?)
Westacott, Louisa F 11
Westacott, Michael M 10
Westacott, Charles M 9
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I hadn't thought of Bristol. About 45 mins (by car) from Stroud and Horsley though not unheard of.
Thank you its now a 7th variation on the name ;D There is also Westcott , Estcourt, Estcott etc etc etc
Ahh if it was easy we wouldn't enjoy the hunt
Thanks
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I received the marriage certificate for John Clayfield and Louisa today. Thank you GRO :)
I was hoping to find an answer to why there were 3 different versions of her name but in this instance it seems to be Wesmincot.
I was hoping to get a signature but all I got was a 'mark'' from both. So it would seem the version presented was missed by the 2 parties as to a correct ( as I understand it ) Westmacott
I was also hoping to find a Fathers Name but alas that is blank. I have Johns which is quite rightly Richard Clayfield.
But what I did get was from a November marriage the cert says they are both 21..leaving a birth Date in 1830
I also got a marriage place : Shortwood Meeting House Stroud
And also a residence for Louisa : Nailsworth Horsley
So it gives me a few leads to chase now :)
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From Ancestry:Name: Louisa Westmacott
Baptism Date: 18 Mar 1827
Parish: Ashley, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Ashley
Father: Elizabeth Westmacott
The image tells us that Louisa was born to Elizabeth Westmacott, Single Woman.
Parish details here: http://ukga.org/england/Wiltshire/towns/Ashley.html
Mike
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Thank you Mike.
That is 1 I have as a strong possibility. Now I have the wedding certificate it makes it more likely because of the LACK of fathers name. Is that a correct assumption to make? ie no father because none is known
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The lack of a father's name suggests that Louisa was illegitimate. It is also worth noting that Shortwood (near Nailsworth) and Ashley are not far apart.
It would be good to establish what happened to her mother Elizabeth. Did she marry and if so can she be found in the 1841 or 1851 Census.
There are 2 marriages one either side of the baptism of Louisa. I think we can rule out the one before and the other one is some distance away in the north of the County:
Name: Elizabeth Westencott
Marriage Date: 1 Nov 1827
Spouse: Wm Castle
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Willersey, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Willersey
Mike
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I had been chasing Elizabeth through the census thinking she may stay as a single woman , but in those days its a near impossibility.
I will next concentrate on marriages pre-1841 and after 1827
Thanks for your input once again :)
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Just to give some ideas for those who wish to help :)
The naming patterns that John and Louisa followed when naming their children is interesting.
The first male was called William and apart from Johns brother being called William I don't have any strong idea why. Johns father is Richard and Mariah (Gill) Clayfield father is John.
Jane is the next child - first female died as an infant
Followed by Albert then John who both died as infants
*****^^^^^^^^******** All born in Gloucestershire
Arrived in Australia 11 Oct 1858 on the Bee sailed from Liverpool - The following emigrants are sent out on remittance ??
Maria - obviously for mother - who married my GG Grandfather
John again
Martha who is Marias mother
Louisa after Louisa Westm*****
Elizabeth is next ...maybe after the Elizabeth above
Finally we get to a Richard who dies as an infant
Elija Richard
Albert Leonard
And last but not least Johanna Matilda Alice Ann Clayfield when Louisa was either 45 ( marriage document) or 48 if we accept she was born in Ashley in 1827
Hopefully that gives some clues which way to go.
Ann could be a reference to Johns sister
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I'm actually quite excited and possibly confused. Not sure how to interpret this but its got me buzzing and would appreciate some feedback
I have mentioned I received a marriage certificate stating both couples were 'aged' 21 - assuming a birth date of 1830. This along with the following death notice seemed to indicate a date around 1829-30
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/77543184?
Broadening my search terms and including more variants and using FindMyPast I have a transcript of a Louisa Westmacot born 1823 but baptised on 28/10/1832 in St Marleybone London
What has me buzzing is the listed names for her parents are William and Jane. The names of (my Louisa and Johns ) first 2 children.
Why , if she knew her fathers name, (actually I will check that next) would there be no record on the marriage cert?
Am I right to be hopeful or do I need to check other sources , and if so which ones?
Thank you in advance :)
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Its embarrassing looking back nearly 7 years on how I structured this query!!
A possible from 1841?
Class: HO107; Piece: 374; Book: 2; Folio: 6; Page: 7
Cumberland Street, St Pauls, Bristol
Westacott, Elizabeth F 32 L of Houses(?)
Westacott, Louisa F 11
Westacott, Michael M 10
Westacott, Charles M 9
I have finally been able to rule this one out.
Elizabeth married a Michael Westacott in 1823
3 (found) children are
Harriet Louisa 1828
Michael 1829
Charles Bragg 1833
Father Michael died 1833 and was a Chemist/Druggist
Charles Bragg Westacott died 1843 as did Harriet Louisa
It seems the Ashley one is more and more likely but more searching to go
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Looks like Louisa Westmacott baptised 1827 Ashley also had a brother - James Westmacott bp.7/3/1824 Ashley, son of Elizabeth.
Annette
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.? Who were the witnesses at the wedding.
GRO INDEX, CLAYFIELD - Stroud
William - 1852 - mother's maiden name WESTMANCOTT
Jane - 1853 - mother's maiden name: WESTMANCOTE
Albert - 1855 - mother's maiden name: WESTMANCOTE
John - 1857 - mother's maiden name: WESTMANCOT
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The marriage took place at a Stroud Register Office:
CLAYFIELD John WESMINCOT Louisa Stroud Stroud Register Office 1851 RR/7 123
Source: Gloucestershire BMD Indexes http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx