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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Westmorland => England => Westmorland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Evertonian2 on Friday 30 January 15 10:20 GMT (UK)
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According to Familysearch, Emmanuel Theobalds Wilkinson was born to Mary Wilkinson and the baptism was registered at Kirkby Lonsdale. Christening date is given as 13 September 1794. I have looked at the registers at Kendal but been unable to find this baptism. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place! I wonder if someone more familiar with the records than I am would be kind enough to have a go at finding this baptism - it may break down a long-standing brick wall for me! Is it possible that the baptism took place at one of the satellite churches? I would be most grateful if someone could have a go for me - I live some distance from Kendal and I have had two fruitless journeys so for. Many thanks
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Familysearch entry shows place of baptism and residence as Kirkby Lonsdale.Were you not able to find PR or just this entry?
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It was just this record that I couldn't find. It mystified me because it seemed to have so much detail and wasn't a record that just came from someone's family tree (e.g. date given as 'about'). I expected to go straight to the record. It was most frustrating! I thought someone else with more experience than me might be able to find it. Thanks for your interest!
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hi
are you sure it was CofE it may have been one of the Chapels, Weslyan or Quaker etc
regards
westmorland
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Appears to be no chapels etc,,http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/KirkbyLonsdale/
LDS film 1471665 is Kirkby Lonsdale 1538-1910.
Did you consult with staff at Kendal RO?
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Re: staff at Kendal record office.
I didn't find them particularly helpful, I have to say. For one thing, they didn't have an uptodate copy of Familysearch, so they couldn't check the copy I was showing them. I found it rather unsatisfactory.
Do you have any other suggestions for finding this baptism - or did it not take place, and was merely made up by a member of the LDS church? I find this hard to believe, but I am stumped.
I am actually seeking the birth/baptism of my ggggrandfather, Emanuel Theobalds HUTCHINSON, who lived his life in Leck, Lancashire (not far from Kirkby Lonsdale), and this is the nearest I have go to him. I am wondering if this child, Emanuel Theobalds WILKINSON, was actually him and was adopted by someone in the Hutchinson family and took their family name. Do you think this is feasible? I have found a marriage at Tunstall(parish including Leck) between Edward Hutchinson and Elizabeth Wilkinson, so there is a family connection. What do you think?
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You seem to be struggling with what each place has in regard to records.
Have you used wiki at familysearch?
LDS created IGI by filming PR's held by Records Offices.RO's are not required to refer to familysearch as they hold the originals.
Did staff at RO help you find the film?On two trips from Australia to Kendal,i have nothing but praise for the staff as my first visit i was at the wrong RO..
Emmanuel is base born,so it is unlikely there will be any further information at baptism.Have you traced Wilkinson's life to eliminate or include him?Have you found a Hutchinson family with no other children in Kirkby Lonsdale or Leck?
Go back a generation and look at Mary and Elizabeth's births and the latters marriage,maybe Elizabeth had no children and Mary was just too young to raise a child.
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Re: staff at Kendal record office.
I didn't find them particularly helpful, I have to say. For one thing, they didn't have an uptodate copy of Familysearch, so they couldn't check the copy I was showing them. I found it rather unsatisfactory.
Familysearch.org is a website run by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and based in Utah (I think) and Record Offices can only access exactly the same information online as you can.
According to Familysearch.org the record is of the Kirkby-Lonsdale Parish Registers on film no 1471665. If you scroll down on the link below there is information about film no 1471665
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/395611?availability=Family%20History%20Library (https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/395611?availability=Family%20History%20Library)
If you have an LDS Family History Library near you then you might be better off ordering the film in. It is possible that the LDS have miss-labelled the batch, or the date has been transcribed incorrectly
Andy
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The only records indexed by LDS for Kirkby Lonsdale are:
C055441 1813-1858
C391278 1813-1901
C391279 1813-1901
M055441 1813-1837
C= Christenings
M = Marriages
The record which you refer to Batch No I03668-0 is not an entry from the parish register but from an indexing project (I = Indexing Project Batch Number) so open to errors and no way of finding out where the information was taken from when compiling this index.
The reference for Kirkby Lonsdale parish records which are held at Preston Records Office on microfilm is WPR19 1538-1967, and Kendal Records Office hold the Bishops’ Transcripts only on microfilm.
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I really am most grateful for the interest you are showing in my problem, and for the advice which you are offering me. I shall try to follow up some of these ideas and see where it gets me. Thank you all very much.
In relation to the staff at Kendal - I have to say that in the past they have been very helpful, but on this last occasion they didn't live up to their previous reputation. Maybe I didn't explain my problem clearly enough to them.
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AndyCand
I have done as you suggested and clicked on the link you gave me (many thanks for that). The particular film number refers to 'draft baptisms'. Have you any idea what this means?
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I would think it means that your ancestor was posthumously baptised by the Mormons. The practice of posthumous baptism has been part of the church’s theology almost since its founding.
As the film you refer to is an index, I think you now need to look again at the Parish Registers on microfilm and widen the search a few years before and after the possible baptism (these registers are not indexed on the IGI until the year 1813). As I mentioned in my last posting you could carry this out at Preston Records Office as they have the PRs on microfilm. Kendal hold the Bishops Transcripts only (copies of the PRs sent to the Bishop yearly).
Another thing to consider is even if he was christened at Kirkby Lonsdale, he was illegitimate and his mother would possibly travel outside her parish to have him christened. It's also highly unlikely that you would find out who the father was unless there was a bastardy bond taken out to make the father responsible for the upkeep of the child. Possibly the best way forward is to trace Mary's parents and work back from there.
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Hi
According to the link below the Parish Registers from 1538 to the 1970s are at Kendal Record Office. I would suggest contacting them and that they are available to view.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/KirkbyLonsdale/index.htm (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/KirkbyLonsdale/index.htm)
Andy
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My source is from Cumbrian Ancestors which was printed by Cumbria Archive Service and published by Cumbria County Council. Depending on which way Evertonion is travelling from, Preston RO may be nearer. Microfilm will also be held at Carlisle Archive Centre.
Either way the records need to be looked at on microfilm as they are not on the IGI.
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Hi
According to the original post Evertonian2 has looked at the registers at Kendal, and the Cumbria Archive Service Catalogue. has the following reference WPR 19, Kirkby Lonsdale, St Mary Parish, 1538-1992 at Kendal. That suggests the registers are at Kendal as the Genuki information states. If they have been filmed it may not all have been done by the LDS , it may even be that you have to access the Original Registers.
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Interestingly the surname 'Theobalds', is quite prominent in Kirkby Lonsdale around that time - CASCAT has several documents listed and the Kirkby Lonsdale Parson and White directory of 1829 also lists Theobalds. It seems likely that Emmanuel's middle name is that of his father. The usual spelling of the Christian name is Theobald (without the s).
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Thank you all again for your helpful comments and suggestions. I actually live in Preston so that is the obvious place to go. I looked at a transcription of the parish registers at Kendal first and then at the Bishop's Transcript films there. The suggestion about a post-mortem baptism is an interesting one and so I think I need to widen the date period. What excited me about this reference is that the original date 1794 fits exactly with the suggested date of Emanuel Hutchinson as given in the 19th century censuses. I also agree that the name 'Theobalds' (with an s) is probably the name of his father, as it is the surname version. We shall see! Many thanks for your interest.