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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Leonie Baker on Monday 26 January 15 04:55 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping someone can help me, I am trying to clear up marriages I have found to a Frederick Tyler Russell, the first one was in 1843 and was at St Mark, Kennington Surrey to Emma Underwood this is a non conformist church, now I do have details of their status, fathers name, found on Ancestry and Find my past. What I need is Fredericks occupation, fathers occupation, and the witnesses. I have looked for children to this marriage and think that there may be 2?????
There is more to Frederick Tyler Russell puzzle with wives and children which is in Victoria Australia, it is complicated to go into.
Leonie
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Hi Leonie
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
St Mark's Kennington isn't a non-conformist church.
The registers have been deposited at the London Metropolitan Archives and are available online at Ancestry.
However, it was noted in 2010 that Marriages 1834-1845 are missing from the Ancestry site.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=430983.msg2954741#msg2954741
Researchers in and around London who go to the archives are few and far between, you may have a bit of a wait.
Alternatively, if you can't find another source for this information or can't wait, then you can purchase a copy from the General Register Office for £9.25 quoting this reference
Marriages Mar 1843
Russell, Frederick Tyler, Lambeth vol 4 pg 176
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I hope to go up there within the next month if you can wait that long, by the way is he related to Frederick Tyler Russell who married 1845 in Whitechapel to Jane Burt.
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is he related to Frederick Tyler Russell who married 1845 in Whitechapel to Jane Burt.
I think that is the big question! Is he Frederick Tyler Russell, surgeon, father Richard.
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Married St Mary's Whitechapel 10/11/1845
Frederick Tyler Russell full age surgeon of Fieldgate Street father Richard Tyler Russell gentleman
Jane Burt full age spinster of no occupation of Union Street father James Burt Green grocer
Witnessed by Henry Chapman and Susanna Horne? Wilson
After banns
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Just ordered the film. Do you have the marriage date?
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Found it. Will post details later
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thank you for all those with trying to help. Frederick Tyler Russell is a puzzling one. I am trying to work out if there is only one or two. The information I have, said the one born in Woolwich, Kent is the one married to Jane Burt 1845. It is possible that this Frederick came as a convict 1847 Australia on the Marion supposedly to Tasmania but I cannot find any more information on him until he is have children to Jane Burt 1853 Victoria and a couple of children after this, his occupation is a chemist/druggiest and he then marries 1874 to a Jane Small and he is a druggiest.
The other Frederick Tyler Russell marries a Frances Sweeney in 1855 in Victoria but they have a child called Frederick in 1854, and on this marriage and birth the child's father is called Frederick Russell but no Tyler in the middle. but he is a Surgeon and born Gravesend, Kent. This Frederick born 1854 marries in Queensland and he is known as Frederick Tyler Russell. In a newspaper announcement for this marriage it said that Frederick Tyler Russell was the second son of Frederick Tyler Russell, Surgeon of London, when he dies 1938 the information says his father is Frederick Tyler Russell and Frances Sweeney.
On the marriage to Frances Sweeney it did say that Frederick was a widow of 6 years and had 2 children deceased this is a mystery too?????
So now you see my dilemma is this Frederick Tyler Russell that marry's Emma Underwood is he a surgeon too? Is he the same one that marry's Jane Burt? Is he the same one that marry's Frances Sweeney?
I have even looked at his marriage signatures that I have to Frances Sweeney and Jane Burt and Jane Small but they don't seem to match.
Both Fredericks are born around the same time and I cant pinpoint him in the censuses
Leonie
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The Frederick Tyler Russell who was transported in 1847 was said to be aged 22 when convicted in February 1846 and was described as a surgeon in newspaper reports.
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Right, here we go
Marriage No. 108 St Marks Kennington 8 March 1843
Frederick Tyler Russell, full, bachelor, Student, Church Row (slight maybe Road), father Richard Russell, Gent
Emma Underwood, minor, spinster, -, James Street, father Robert Underwood, Builder
Witnesses Thomas Wiggins, Ann Underwood
Marriage carried out at the Parish Church by Banns
Everybody signed EXCEPT the minister, there is just a blank where he should be
The writing on the previous and subsequent entries in the register suggest that it was Joseph Ketley
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Interesting that just a few years after being transported (on a 15 year sentence). he is in business in Elizabeth Street, Melbourne as a chemist. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4789896 (column 3)
I haven't been able to find any convict records for him post-arrival. Per newspaper reports the Marion took its cargo of "exiles" on from Hobart to Port Philip. Hence no record in Tasmania.
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"F. Tyler Russell, assistant to Mr Saner, surgeon and apothecary, 36 Finsbury Square, was brought up for final examination upon the charge...." (London Standard, 31 January 1846 )
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There's an item in the Reading Mercury on 7 Feb 1846 saying that Frederick Tyler Russell, aged 22, and described as a surgeon, was indicted for feloniously forging and uttering an order for payment of 55/., with intent to defraud
Plus 3 other similar indictments against him
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I want to say thank you again, I still might get the film out so I can see the signature,
Is there anyway of seeing if there were any children to Frederick and Emma, and if they and her died??
Leonie
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He was tried at the Old Bailey for the one against the Bank of England (Old Bailey online)
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Looks like he was transported as an exile and thus would have been granted a conditional pardon on arrival.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchhits_nocopy.aspx?table=Index%20to%20convict%20exiles,%201846-50&id=20&frm=1&query=Surname:russell