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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: vhb on Friday 23 January 15 08:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi! I'm lookiing for info from my opa Eugen Huber, he was born in a town called Auleata in 1915 (former German empire) I don't know the name of the town now, or if it stayed within Germany... Anyone with an old map?
His parents were Jacob Huber and Elsa Zehle.
Thanks!
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Hi there,
Do you have a copy of the document from which you got the place "Auleata"? Is it possible it was misspelt or misheard?
Did Eugen emigrate? We might be able to find other documents that will lead you to his birthplace.
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I don't have any document unfortunately, this is information I got from my father. (Passed by his mom) all I know is that the place was or is called Auleata , from the former German empire. and the territory now belongs to Russia.
His exact birth i don't have it. Might be either December 30th. or 31st. 1915
He was the third of 3 sons. The oldest : Walter Huber, then (another brother I don' t have his name), and the youngest Eugen Huber.
The three of them emigrated to Mexico, through the port of Veracruz (don't have a date available)
But I know it was before WWII and then went back to Germany for military service.
Returned to Mexico after that, then my dad was born in Mexico in 1948.
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Auleata (Аулеата, also Aulie-Ata, Аулие-Ата) was the old name of Taraz/Jambyl in Kazakhstan from 1856 to 1936, but it was never part of the German Empire, and apparently only acquired a German-speaking minority in the 1930s with the influx of displaced Volga Germans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taraz
Adrian
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Sure sounds alike, but this not the same city we're talking about. (Probably I'm waaay to mistaken in the spelling of the city -or town- I mention. . But I am absolutely sure, this is a Germany place I talk about. Even my dad's birth certificate says his father, Eugen Huber is of German nationality.
So must be another city or town, with similar name.
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Even my dad's birth certificate says his father, Eugen Huber is of German nationality.
Was it not the case that nationality could be determined by that of the parents, regardless of birthplace?
Perhaps you should not dismiss Taraz/Aulie-Ata out of hand, as there was a Mennonite settlement there. See:
http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Aulie-Ata_Mennonite_Settlement_(Kazakhstan) (http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Aulie-Ata_Mennonite_Settlement_(Kazakhstan))
http://www.khiva.info/gb/people/mennonit.htm (http://www.khiva.info/gb/people/mennonit.htm)
Isabel
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Even if they lived in Russia for many years/generations, the Volga Germans kept their language, gave their children German names and considered themselves German.
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Even my dad's birth certificate says his father, Eugen Huber is of German nationality.
Was it not the case that nationality could be determined by that of the parents, regardless of birthplace?
Perhaps you should not dismiss Taraz/Aulie-Ata out of hand, as there was a Mennonite settlement there.
Guess you're right, this sounds possible. I really wish I had more information. I'll keep digging
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It's the place name that is the problem. It's way off, either for Germany or for ethnic Germans in other parts of Europe. Certainly, Volksdeutsche were encouraged to return to the Reich, in your case from Mexico with or without encouragement.
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Could this be his family?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01emh/
Jacob Huber, wife Sophie, and two children, Eugen (aged 17 in 1931) and Artur (aged 10)
This doesn't seem to have been their first arrival into Mexico as last residence and place they were heading are both listed as Monterrey.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01emi/
- here in 1939 Jacob and Sophie only, heading for Tampico. Jacob b. Rosenheim Sophie b. "Moskau".
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X22S-LM2
- fit with this border crossing for Sophie, mentions husband Jacob and son Walter
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X22S-LMN
- and this earlier border crossing for Walter, giving father as Jacob and birthplace as Samarkand.
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Yes!
That is my family! is incredible that you found them wow.,, many thanks for that! :)
I' m still missing something from Eugen though, (my Opa) but this is a good starting point.
I'm hoping to find his birth certificate. How could I do so, if the place he apparently was born is so far away from Germany now? -I'm still not sure about his birthplace, but seeing that Walter is from That area, it's safe to assume my Opa would be from there too. (It just checks out)
Any leads? This has been very helpful and enlightening. :)
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It could be quite hard to track down surviving records, given the time period and location. There may not have been an official birth certificate, only church records. Samarkand was under Russian rule at this time (may be related to Sophie being from Moscow):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Turkestan
I think you should start by getting as much as you can out of records in Mexico - do you have his marriage? Does the family remember when/where approximately his parents died - did they stay in Mexico when the boys went back in WWII? Did the brothers also return to Mexico after the war?
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That's the thing... all documents were lost.
I'm searching wherever I can. maybe I can find something..
This is what I have so far:
Great grandfather - Jacob Huber -feb 25 1878- Rosenheim, Ger.
Great grandmother - Sophie Huber Zehle -nov 09 1884, Moscow,Russia
--married at some point had 3 sons:
1. Walter Huber Zehle
-Samarkand, Turkmenistan
-married in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon to Doukissa Leventeris
-no children
-died 1993? Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
2. Eugen Gustav Huber Zehle -dec (30-31?) 1915 "Aulie- Ata, Russia"
-married in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon to Wilma Ida Haas Buchner in 1942 or 43
-two sons
-died 1972-73? Ciudad de Mexico,DF, Mexico
3. Artur Huber
-returned to Germany and had two daughters
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You can browse through civil registration records for Nuevo Leon, including Monterrey, here:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1916238
Unfortunately it doesn't seem that there is an index, but marriages for 1942 and 1943 are available.
(I've removed the names of the children of Eugen and Artur as we try to avoid discussing details of living persons on Rootschat).
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thanks so much :) i'll have a look.
Sorry, on the names.
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Question is if is meant Rosenheim, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany (Deutschland)
or the Rosenheim in Russia as this link has not Germany stated?
http://www.die-maus-bremen.de/Datenbanken/auswanderer/passagierli/index.php?id=liste&LNr=600525&nummer=Huber&ArchivIdent=AIII15-21.08.1939-2_N&abreisehafen=Bremen&ankunftshafen=Tampico,_Mexiko&unternehmer=Nordd._Lloyd,_Bremen&lang=de
But of sure is that Rosenheim in Germany had and has still Breweries. His occupation shows "Braumeister" (brewmaster). ;D No idea if russian Rosenheim also had.
Example: http://www.touristinfo-rosenheim.de/stadt-erlebnis/essen-trinken/biervielfalt.html
Flötzinger Brau: http://www.floetzinger.de/produkte
http://www.floetzinger.de/familie-floetzinger
Auer-Bräu: http://www.auerbraeu.de/default.aspx
https://www.google.at/maps/place/Rosenheim,+Deutschland/@47.8480769,12.1035154,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47761a4780000ff1:0x2adbddaaf82bcb83
Russian Rosenheim of German Russian Area on map above at river Volga right of Saratov: http://www.rollintl.com/roll/volga.htm
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Here the Link for Bavarian church archives: http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/Bavaria_Archives#
Would assume you need roman.cath.? So you would have to ask at Diocesan Archive of Erz-Bistum München (Munich)-Freising. The stated Link does not work, searched for it.
Ask if they have Rosenheim files: http://www.erzbistum-muenchen.de/Page001020.aspx
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In Germany there is civil registration for the year 1878.
You will get the information concerning Jacob's birth and parents from the
"Standesamt" at Rosenheim.
The birth of Jacob Huber is registered under the number 1878/51.
Regards Rudolf
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In Germany there is civil registration for the year 1878.
You will get the information concerning Jacob's birth and parents from the
"Standesamt" at Rosenheim.
The birth of Jacob Huber is registered under the number 1878/51.
Regards Rudolf
Oh! How does that work? How did you get that information? How can I get a copy or certified copy of that record?
I'm in awe at this forum's skills!
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About Eugen,
I found this, https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F1931806%2Fwaypoints (https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F1931806%2Fwaypoints) , but can't access it. Today I went to a LDS CENTER, thinking that could be the issue, but still wasn't able to acces,, got the next message:
"this image is viewable to signed-in members of supporting organizations".
Don't know if it's something with their system, (someone did mention something about work being done in their page, so.. Maybe that? ) or is there something else? Is there a special permission needed to see some archives? Anyone has a clue? (Or access?)
I don't even know if I'll find something there, -nor do I know ANY russian- but I was prepared to spent some good hours in there.
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Did you ask the folks at the LDS center?
Some of the documents they've scanned come with restrictions put in by the actual owners of the records (the original archives). I suppose it's possible that there's also a regional lock - I remember looking at their catalogue years ago and seeing that some microfilms had note that they couldn't be ordered in certain countries.
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I did ask, three persons came to my assistance but none of them knew what that was about. "They hadn't seen that message before"
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Standesamt Rosenheim, address & eMail:
http://www.rosenheim.de/willkommen/aemter-und-dienststellen/standesamt.html (http://www.rosenheim.de/willkommen/aemter-und-dienststellen/standesamt.html)
A copy is always cheaper than a certified copy of his birth record. - At least you will get the names of his parents.
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well,
continuing...
I have now Jacob Huber's Birth record from Rosenheim with me, (can't really figure it out since it is in that old german script.. and in german)..
But.. still nothing from Eugen!
from some border crossings from Laredo Texas, I could find that Arthur (youngest brother) was born in Munich, I guess I could try to find more about that. But it still crosses me that Eugen is nowhere to be found! ???
I also got his marriage certificate from Monterrey, Mexico ... (of course the names all wrongly written,, and the place and date of birth....DRUMROLL please.... BLANK!!! >:(
I really hit a brick wall with him.
-sigh-
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Can you show it as an attachment here for a look up?
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Jacob Huber birth record
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Nothing yet,,
I found that the younger brother of Eugen Huber (B. 1915 Approx), Arthur (Artur?) Huber, was born in München in 1921(approx) ... maybe is a long shot, but is it worth looking for Eugen's birth also in München? do you guys have any link where I could do such search?
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Hi
Here is the whole text of this birth record:
Rosenheim am 3. März 1878
Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschien heute, der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, Mühlenpächter Jakob Huber, wohnhaft zu Rosenheim, Obermühle Haus Nr. 69, katholischer Religion, und zeigte an, dass von der Theresia Huber, geborene Meier, seiner Ehefrau, katholischer Religion, wohnhaft bei ihm zu Rosenheim, in seiner Wohnung, am fünfundzwanzigsten Februar des Jahres tausend acht hundert siebzig und acht Vormittags um neun Uhr ein Kind männlichen Geschlechts geboren worden sei, welches den Vornamen Jakob erhalten habe.
Vorgelesen, genehmigt und unterschrieben
Unterschrift Jakob Huber
Der Standesbeamte
Unterschrift (unleserlich)
Regards
Svenja
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Hi
And here is the translation of this birth record:
Rosenheim 3rd March 1878
In front of the registrar, who signed this record, appeared in person, identity known by the registrar, Jakob Huber, tenant of a mill, resident in Rosenheim, Obermühle (name of the mill) house number 69, catholic religion, declared that his wife, Theresia Huber, maiden name Meier, catholic religion, resident with him in Rosenheim, in his apartment, at the twenty fifth February of the year 1978 at nine o’clock in the morning gave birth to a boy whom was given the name Jakob.
Read, accepted and signed
Signature of Jakob Huber
The registrar
Signature of the registrar illegible
Regards
Svenja
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Thank you so much Svenja!
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Obermühle was a part (Ortsteil) of Rosenheim -> hamlet.
Obermühle area on historical map left below, stated on birth document for Rosenheim, Obermühle Nr. 69. Number 69 is to see at the word OBERMÜHLE at not only one house. ;)
http://www.bayerische-landesbibliothek-online.de/images/blo/ortsblaetter/karten/karten/Ort_Ros_1855_R63-1-2.jpg
http://www.bayerische-landesbibliothek-online.de/ortsblaetter/suche?oid=2217
Nearly area today. ;)
https://www.google.at/maps/place/Salinstrasse,+83022+Rosenheim,+Deutschland/@47.8511474,12.123974,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47761a312cacf565:0xa970c9fa2cac8351
Is area of one of Kathrein´s factory Rosenheim now: https://www.google.at/maps/search/kathrein+rosenheim/@47.8507038,12.1234794,16z
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathrein-Werke
https://www.kathrein.com
https://www.google.at/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Kathrein+Rosenheim
Here also left below a part of Obermühle at Mühl-Bach (millstream) area:
http://www.bayerische-landesbibliothek-online.de/images/blo/ortsblaetter/karten/karten/Ort_Ros_1812_R63.jpg
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wow, thanks carinthiangirl, this maps are really awesome, it's really interesting to find this little pieces of history, and dig deeper every time :)
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Hello vhb, are you still looking for information about Eugen Huber? He was my uncle. I am one of Arthur Huber's daughters.
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MHF that's great news! I'm one of Eugen's grand daughters :) being Arthur's daughter makes you my second cousin? It's great that you saw this post and we can somehow connect! I'm sending you a PM, hopefully you see it!
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Hola VHB. Sí soy tu prima de segundo grado. Si quieres, mándame un correo electrónico () para poder escribirnos directamente. ¡Qué emoción! Saludos cordiales
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te mande ya un mensaje privado, lo puedes revisar en el tab MY MESSAGES. no tengo tu correo u otra manera de contactarte. Saludos!