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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Leicestershire => England => Leicestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Rosie29 on Wednesday 21 January 15 19:32 GMT (UK)
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My grandmother, Elizabeth Soanes, widow, married Charles T. Tomkins around 1907. I was told they were related and would like to trace their ancestors to see if this was right. The marriage took place in Lubenham, Leics. Her maiden name was Harris and she was the daughter of Samuel and Rachael Harris.
Thanks for any help.
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We are not allowed to do 1911 look ups, but that would be where to start.
If you can find Charles and Elizabeth Tomkins in 1911, it will hopefully tell you when and where both were born.
You can then look back on previous censuses (or ask here if you need help with that) to hopefully find them with their parents and siblings, and then go on from there!
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I think this is her in 1881
Lubenham
Samuel Harris 37 ag lab bn Lubenham
Rachael 31 bn Clipston?
Ruth 8 bn Market HArboro
Elizabeth 7 bn Lubenham
George 5 bn Cipston
Thomas 3 bn Clipston
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Thank you. I'll do that tomorrow. They lived in Lubenham all their married life.
Your second message is correct and more children were born after that, making a total of eight children.
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Possible marriage
Oct/Nov/Dec 1871
Market Harboro
7a 65
Samuel Harris / Ruth Mutton on same page
If you know my message is correct - then you must know when and where she was born already!
Will send you a pm
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And I think this is Charles in 1881
Lubenham
George Tomkins 47 ag lab bn Lubenham
Emma 43 bn Manea
Archer 15
Walter 13
Charles 10
Bertram 8
George 5
Emma 3
Roland 5mths
Same in 1871, just have older son James (then 9) with them too. And of course the younger ones haven't been born!
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Possible marriage
Apr/May/Jun 1859
Leicester
7a 335
George Tomkins / Emma Thaxter on same page
So no obvious link yet.
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Yes, in my first message I gave the names of her parents. She was born in Lubenham, married her first husband, Arthur Soanes, probably in London, and returned to Lubenham some time between 1902 and 1907, when Arthur, my grandfather, died. I did know her mother was Rachael Mutton of Clipston. Sorry for the confusion.
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Elizabeth married at Lubenham
04-Feb 1907 TOMKINS Charles Todd
CHARLES TODD
Last name TOMKINS
Birth year 1870 Q3 MARKET HARBOROUGH 7a/21
Marriages Sep 1895
Harris Elizabeth Pancras 1b/105
Soames Arthur
1901 Yew Tree Cottages, 4, Meeting Lane, Walton, Woodbridge, Suffolk
Arthur Soanes Head Married Male 29 1872 General Labourer Felixstowe, Suffolk, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Soanes Wife Married 28 1873 Leicester, Leicestershire
Arthur S Soanes Son 4 1897 Camden Town, Middlesex
Dorothy E Soanes Daughter 2 1899 Camden Town, Middlesex
Violet M Soanes Daughter 0 1901 Walton, Suffolk, England
Birth
CHRISTINE TOMKINS
Birth year 1909 Q1 MARKET HARBOROUGH 7a/12
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Yes, in my first message I gave the names of her parents. She was born in Lubenham, married her first husband, Arthur Soanes, probably in London, and returned to Lubenham some time between 1902 and 1907, when Arthur, my grandfather, died. I did know her mother was Rachael Mutton of Clipston. Sorry for the confusion.
Is there anything else you already know about either of their ancestors, to save spending time going over old ground? Your first post implied you knew nothing, as you wished to trace their ancestors!!
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The Soanes marriage is online
Name: Arthur Soanes
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Age: 25
Spouse: Elizabeth Harris
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1895
Parish: Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill
Borough: Camden
Father Name: David Soanes...Labourer Deceased
Spouse Father: Samuel Harris...Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses Frederick and Annie Cockerill
Fills in the gap as you didn't have the marriage
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Here is Rachel in 1851
Clipston
Jane 34 widow Lace runner
David 11
Alfred 7
Charles 5
Rachel 3 all bn Clipston
and here is the family in 1841
Clipston
Mark Mutton 20 ag lab
Jane 20
Levi 1
David 1 mth
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Marriage
Oct/Nov/Dec 1839
Market Harborough
15 303
Mark Mutton / bride could be Jane Bott or Jane Hubbard
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Going back to the Tomkins line
Here is Emma Thaxter in 1851
Hop Row, Manea, Cambridgeshire
Samuel Thaxter 46 Bricklayer and Publican bn Norfolk Flag Bois
Mary Ann 45 bn Chesterton Cambs
Charles 25 bn Chesteton
Ann 24 bn Godmanchester
John 14 bn Manea
Emma 13 bn Manea
Sarah 9 bn Pidley
Maria 7 bn Norfolk Rosebury
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Marriage for you
Mkt Harborough Clipston 04-Nov 1839
MUTTON Mark
HUBBARD Jane
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Thanks once more. Still no sign they were related. Could it be through the Harris family?