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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: jmara on Tuesday 20 January 15 23:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi- Could someone help me read this parsed portion of the census about my ancestors? I am having trouble making out almost all of it, especially the town (Drumchapel Colliery?) the father's name (is it Bardner? At first I thought that must be a mistake and it was supposed to be Bernard, but it sure looks like Bardner-of whom I can find no other record)
I also cannot read the father's occupation and really just taking a stab at the towns of birth. Any help on reading this and interpretations of the information would be much appreciated!
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Yes looks like Drumchapel Colliery def looks like Bardner Daley bn Ireland (maybe his accent was misunderstood?) Midlothian Edinburgh next two, Midlothian Portabella, Stirlingshire Slamanan, Lanarkshire ? sorry can't make out the last placename.
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Hi.
Agree with Fifer. Bardner (must have been his pronunciation )
Could the last place of birth be Lanarkshire, West ???? .
Looby
;)
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Hello jmara,
Following loobylooayr's lead, could the last place name be Westthorn, Lanarkshire?
Regards, Dod.
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That all makes sense. thank you.
Fifer also suggested that the father's occupation read Coal Lb which likely meant coal laborer. With his sons as coal miners that makes perfect sense, too. Thanks to all!
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Hi
I have seen the surname Bardner from families around Midlothian.
Norma
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Hello jmara,
Following loobylooayr's lead, could the last place name be Westthorn, Lanarkshire?
Regards, Dod.
That fits Dod and looks good for this family, there certainly was a colliery there. A death recorded there in 1801 at http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/326.html from googling it appears that Westthorn was in Shettleston Parish but prior to that came under Barony [Glasgow].
"The parish, which was originally a part of Barony parish from which it was civilly disjoined in 1847, is in the presbytery of Glasgow and synod of Glasgow and Ayr" http://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townhistory498.html
Hopefully jmara can now trace Thomas' OPR birth.
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1851 Census East Kilpatrick
Bardner DALEY Head 51 Coal Lab b Ireland - -
Margaret DALEY Wife 45 b Edinburgh
David DALEY Son 19 Coal Miner b Edinburgh Midlothian -
James DALEY Son 13 Coal Miner b Slamannan Stirlingshire
John DALEY 17 Coal Miner b Portobello Midlothian -
Thomas DALEY Son 10 Scholar b West Thorn Lanarkshire
William DALEY Lodger 25 Labourer b - Bridgent Cardross Dunbartonshire
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Hi all,
Looks good then for West Thorn (or is it all one word) Westthorn , Lanarkshire.
Have to admit I've never heard of it before :P
Learn something new every day.
Looby.
PS. Would have thought perhaps the family would be in Barony/Shettleston area at time of 1841 given that young Thomas's age is correct.
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Looks good then for West Thorn (or is it all one word) Westthorn , Lanarkshire.
Have to admit I've never heard of it before :P
It appears as both West Thorn and Westthorn, Looby and I'd never heard of it either even though I did a lot of research on mining sites! :-\
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PS. Would have thought perhaps the family would be in Barony/Shettleston area at time of 1841 given that young Thomas's age is correct.
Possibly closer than you might think - just east of there you still have an area called Westhorn although it looks like all that is left is Westhorn Drive
https://footballtaxhavens.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/the-coal-authority-gives-westhorn-land-a-clean-bill-of-health/
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Looks good then for West Thorn (or is it all one word) Westthorn , Lanarkshire.
But East Kilpatrick is in Dunbartonshire and Stirlingshire, isn't it?
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Forfarian it was only one child of the family born Westthorn they had moved ;D
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Wow! Thank You All!