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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: British Kiwi on Saturday 17 January 15 21:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am researching my great x 4 grandfather and his two wives for my course. He was born about 1803 in Hull. I think (but not certain) that he was christened in Beverley in Feb 1803. He married Mary EASTON 29 July 1829. She then died (awaiting death certificate) Feb 1839. JR DUNCAN then married Mary Ann DANIELS 26 May 1842 and then there are divorce papers for Judicial Separation in May 1858. The papers make for horrible reading and if they are to be completely believed, JR DUNCAN was a horrible person and emotionally and physically abused his second wife. I am trying to find extra information in the papers or other documents about JR DUNCAN. I can't find any mention of the divorce, though maybe judicial separation wasn't reported? He was also a merchant and a 'gentleman'. I believe he was also a ship owner, though his obituary mentions he used to work for Gee & Co. I think his son William Easton DUNCAN was also a ship owner.
Any help filling in some of the gaps are greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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I beleive judicial separation is a little different from divorce, as the couple remain married, but not living together. The date is interesting, as the divorce laws changed in 1857 so she was quick off the mark. Having found them both on 1861, interestingly she has the youngest child with her, when often as not the men got custody
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Yes it was very quick off the mark as the law came to effect that January. I didn't realise sbout custody though. I have to revisit the censuses too as I previously thought there was just one marriage. I am wanting to see if his first wife ( my ancestor) died of natural causes or anything else suspicious.
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Hi BK...According to a couple of trees on Ancestry...J.R. Duncan married Mary Ann Cransick in 1842...she was born in Hull in 1818 and died in 1885.
Carol
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Hi BK...According to a couple of trees on Ancestry...J.R. Duncan married Mary Ann Cransick in 1842...she was born in Hull in the 1818 and died in 1885.
Carol
hi Carol
I have seen those and I believe that they are incorrect. The census confirms he was married to mary the whole time and the divorce papers show it was Mary Ann Daniels he was married to. I have emailed them with details but I am yet to get a response.
kind regards
Melanie
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Think this is his baptism:
Jno. Richardson Duncum bp.1802 (full date not given) Holy Trinity Hull, son of David and Keturah.
possibly a sister:
Susannah Dunkin b.30/11/1806, bp.2/12/1806 Fish Street Ind. Kingston upon Hull, dau. of David and Keturah.
David Duncum married Keturah Richardson 6/10/1801 Hull.
The above all on familysearch.
FindMyPast shows: David Duncan bc.1772 bur.8/9/1827 Wesleyan Methodist, Kingston upon Hull.
FreeReg: Keturah Duncan bc.1781 bur.28/7/1807 Kirk Ella - Abode Hull.
Looks like David remarried (no status given on online record):
David Duncan married Margaret Umpleby 23/10/1808 Sculcoates and they had the following children, all baptised Wesleyan Methodist, Kingston upon Hull:
Samuel b.3/2/1811, bp.1/7/1818
Richard b.3/1/1814, bp. ditto
Margaret b.5/10/1815, bp.18/10/1816 - bur.3/9/1819
David bc.1816-7 bur.12/4/1817 (shown as son of David and Margaret)
David b.7/3/1818, bp.1/7/1818 - bur.30/5/1821
Jonathan b.17/11/1820, bp.19/7/1821
David Fletcher b.17/1/1826, bp.27/5/1826
In 1841 Samuel and Jonathan are living together in Kingston upon Hull
Margaret Duncan (2nd wife) bc.1784, bur.15/6/1831 Wesleyan Methodist, Kingston upon Hull.
Annette
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The John Richardson Duncan who worked for Gee & Co Hull died 8th February 1869 at Bridlington Quay. The residence of his son in law John G Kirsten esq. Died aged 66.
There was a notice to creditors in 1870. His will was proved in the principal registry by the executors William Easten Duncan and John George Kirsten 9th April 1869.
I can send you the newspaper articles if you do not already have these. PM your email address.
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Also found if interested. Capt John Gravill of the whaler "Diana" married Anne Duncan second daughter of Mr John Richardson Duncan merchant of Hull.. 10 November 1858
Deaths - Feb 21st 1897 - Thomas Daniels Duncan son of the late John Richardson Duncan aged 53, Interred at Sculcoates Sacristy, Wednesday 24th.
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Hi Melanie...Just out of interest...The Chairwoman... of the Carnegie Heritage Centre in Hull where I am a volunteer is a descendent of Capt. John Gravill...I believe she has a photo and also a book about him.
Carol
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Hi
I've been going through my records and I requested a lookup here for his marriage. It was a transcript but there was no mention of parents. The second marriage is post registration, so maybe I should at some point order the certificate to confirm his parents details.
Annette7, I had another look taking into account what you found and I think you might be right about his baptism so thank you very much. I just wish that his first marriage would have a certificate as Mary Daniels is my ancestor. Is there any other way to see parents in connection with the marriages?
terrac I have the death notice from the Hull Packet (Hull Packet - Friday 12 February 1869, pg 8) but I don't think I have the notice about the creditors. I do have the probate calendar though. I also have the articles about John Gravill and Thomas Duncan. I will PM you my email address.
I found the Hull Packet great, but the automatic transcription not great. I can't find any information in the papers about his separation. I have run out of my subscription, maybe I should offer to transcribe them all :)
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Hi Melanie...Just out of interest...The Chairwoman... of the Carnegie Heritage Centre in Hull where I am a volunteer is a descendent of Capt. John Gravill...I believe she has a photo and also a book about him.
Carol
That is funny, I have recently (as in the last week) made contact with her, long lost cousins :)
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Wow what a coincidence...I'll mention it to Liz when I see her next week...I cleaned a lovely ambrotype of a Gravill male for her that I still have in my pictures somewhere ;D
Carol
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Wow what a coincidence...I'll mention it to Liz when I see her next week...I cleaned a lovely ambrotype of a Gravill male for her that I still have in my pictures somewhere ;D
Carol
The more I read about Captain Gravill (snr), the more I like him. I was at Hull Uni and I wish I had visited the area he lived. I have been to the Hull Maritime museum and have seen his grave, but would be good to walk down his street.
Melanie
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John Richardson Duncan is my great great grandfather while William Easton Duncan is my great grandfather, on my fathers side.
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Hi
So we are cousins :) nice to meet you. I have only ever made contact on the gravill side of the family.
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Hullo British Kiwi
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Good to meet you too.
My great grandfather, William Easton Duncan was a partner in Good Flodman & Duncan, who were ship owners, forwarding agents and iron, coal and general agents with an office in the Hesslegate Building, Humber Dock St, Hull.
I live in Sydney Australia.
In 2005 I visited England and saw the Hesslegate building in Hull and visited a street party at Coltman St Hull where W E Duncan and family had lived at number 35. Their house has been replaced due to bomb damage during the Second World War.
You quote that “JR DUNCAN was a horrible person and emotionally and physically abused his second wife”. I am only thankful that my closer family members did not inherit these undesirable traits of character.
I got a lot of information about the Easton and Duncan families from an Easton living in Queensland Australia.
Cheers,
Barry.