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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Joyce C on Thursday 15 January 15 20:40 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I am trying to trace William Calder bn Inveravon, Scotland 1850 the son of John Calder and Helen Bremner.
I believe he might have emigrated to New Zealand in 1870 sailing on the Zealandia as a 20 yr old Ploughman bn Banffshire.
A possible marriage was to Elizabeth Jane Harwood in 1873.
I can order a copy of the marriage certificate but I wondered just what information it will give me, most importantly will it confirm his parents as John & Helen?
Or maybe somebody can confirm that I am on the right lines so far and it is "my" William who emigrated in 1870. William who married Elizabeth Jane Harwood died 1925 and is buried Linwood.
Williams brother, Alexander had previously emigrated to New Zealand in 1866 and he and his family lived in the Christchurch area, perhaps William went out to join him?
Many thanks
Bob
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Hi Bob,
A 1873 New Zealand marriage certificate won't provide the names of parents. This changed in 1880 with the inclusion of more information.
See this topic in New Zealand Resources & Offers:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259108.0
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
Spades
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Here is a link to the CALDERs of Christchurch. Alex, Wm and Eliz are shown.
Cheers, Glen
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/CALDER.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html
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Thanks for the information
I had seen the Christchurch Library Calder entries and certainly the names of William and Elizabeths children could easily fit in bearing in mind the traditional Scottish naming pattern of children.
It looks like a death certificate might be more useful for giving Williams parents, I know he died in 1925.
Thank you.
Bob
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Hi Bob
A family tree published on the ancestry website shows >
"William CALDER - born 28 May 1850 in Milltown of Tombrachachie, Glenlivet, Banffshire - son of John CALDER and Helen BREMNER" - died 21 April 1925 : Burial at Prebbleton* Anglican Churchyard Cemetery".
[* Prebbleton is on the outskirts of Christchurch.]
Tree confirms marriage to Elizabeth Jane HARWOOD 1873. The researcher of this family has also posted quite a number of old family photographs. ;)
~ Lu
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I believe he might have emigrated to New Zealand in 1870 sailing on the Zealandia as a 20 yr old Ploughman bn Banffshire.
Williams brother, Alexander had previously emigrated to New Zealand in 1866 and he and his family lived in the Christchurch area, perhaps William went out to join him?
Hi again Bob
The "Zealandia" (1870) passenger list (at FamilySearch), records that part of the cost of passage to NZ for William CALDER, was "paid in the Colony" (8 pounds, 10 shillings). [Seems possible that if this is your lad, then maybe his brother was the person acting as his sponsor ? ]
In the remarks column pertaining to the entry for William CALDER, the note reads : " L8-10s paid in Colony - No. 1313" . "No. 1313" refers to the record showing name of sponsor and date payment was made. [I'm just not sure if these payment records still exist ??]
~ Lu
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There is an email here for more information on the cemetery
http://www.maryalls.church.org.nz/Cemeteries/
Cheers Janette
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Mmm ... just looking again at the manifest for the "Zealandia" (1870) as sometimes records of payments made by, or on behalf of emigrants, are shown.
At Images 21 - 23, only "Promissory Notes given by Emigrants" and "Bills sent from Colony" {directly to Immigration Agent in London?} are shown. [ Nothing relating to William CALDER or "Bills paid in Colony", unfortunately. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Bob
A family tree published on the ancestry website shows >
"William CALDER - born 28 May 1850 in Milltown of Tombrachachie, Glenlivet, Banffshire - son of John CALDER and Helen BREMNER" - died 21 April 1925 : Burial at Prebbleton* Anglican Churchyard Cemetery".
Incidentally, the tree mentioned above goes by the name of "Main Family File2" (search on William CALDER - d. NZ, 1925). On taking a further look at it, I noticed that it didn't contain any info on William CALDER's arrival in New Zealand. It does though include much detail on the family and if you're able to make contact with the tree "owner / researcher", I'm sure that would be beneficial to your particular search. :)
~ Lu
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Regarding pre 1880 marriages in NZ, it's already been pointed out that the parents of the parties aren't included on certificates, but in my research I've sometimes had success finding newspaper marriage notices. The information on these is extremely variable but sometimes I've struck gold, such as the groom was the "third son of ---- ---- of County Antrim, Ireland", which is information I wouldn't have even found on a post 1880 marriage certificate. Almost always parental information in newspaper marriage notices will be limited to fathers of each party, and often only the bride's father. I would always advise tracking down newspaper notices for any pre 1880 NZ marriage. Papers Past, of course, is the way to find these.
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Hi Bob
"Gravestone Photos - All Saints Cemetery, Prebbleton"
I'm not sure if this service is still available, but may be worth a try ?
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Gravestone.Photos/All.Saints.Cemetery.Prebbleton.htm
~ Lu
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Press" (Christchurch) - 21 July 1924 - page 10 - Obituary
Obituary for Alexander CALDER
[Unfortunately it doesn't mention a brother (who would still have been alive at this date ?) ]
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Hi everybody, and special thanks to Lu for all her efforts.
Thank you all for your kind replies. Yesterday I did find the tree with William Calder on it, I had already sent an email to the tree owner as she is the one connected with Alexander Calder. I have still to receive a reply from her.
Also yesterday I ordered a copy of the death certificate of William Calder which should confirm that his parents were John & Helen.
I will contact James at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Gravestone.Photos/All.Saints.Cemetery.Prebbleton.htm to enquire about photographs of William and family's grave stone. Similarly I need to look at the obituary for Alexander., thank you for that I hadn't found that one before.
Thanks you again to everybody for all your thoughts and replies.
Bob