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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: ChigwellGavin on Saturday 10 January 15 20:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
attached is a clipping from the death cert of a great uncle of mine.
I'm curious to know what the numbers in column 3 and 5 indicate/signify.The "79" in column three seems to be followed by a square root sign!!
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When amendments are made to certificates they are numbered and a record is kept in the original register to say what they relate to
Not saying this is definitely what happened in your case but it is maybe worth writing to the original registrars office ie Edmonton (not the GRO) and ask them if they can help
(incidentally I think that square root thing is maybe the letter b)
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When amendments are made to certificates they are numbered and a record is kept in the original register to say what they relate to
Not saying this is definitely what happened in your case but it is maybe worth writing to the original registrars office (not the GRO) and ask them if they can help
(incidentally I think that square root thing is maybe the letter b)
David,
thank you. I'll give them a ring this week to see what I can find.
Gavin
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If these numbers refer to corrections there will be a note in the margin. corrections of errors discovered, at the time of entry, before completion of the certificate are numbered and initialed in the right hand margin of the certificate. For errors discovered within a month of the entry being made then the registrar in the presence of the relevant parties, or in their absence in the presence of the Superintendent Registrar and two other credible witnesses, corrected the erroneous entry by entry in the margin, without making any alteration of the original entry, and signed the marginal entry, adding date when the correction was made.
Stan
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If these numbers refer to corrections there will be a note in the margin. corrections of errors discovered, at the time of entry, before completion of the certificate are numbered and initialed in the right hand margin of the certificate. For errors discovered within a month of the entry being made then the registrar in the presence of the relevant parties, or in their absence in the presence of the Superintendent Registrar and two other credible witnesses, corrected the erroneous entry by entry in the margin, without making any alteration of the original entry, and signed the marginal entry, adding date when the correction was made.
Stan
Thanks Stan. It looks like I should be able to find out what the errors were.
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They are not errors. 330 is the occupation code for General Labourers in the 1911 census
Stan
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Here you are:
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?127
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They are not errors. 330 is the occupation code for General Labourers in the 1911 census
Stan
Yes I had wondered about that but it doesn't answer 1) what the 79 or 79 b? in col 3 is or 2) why the 330 is on the death certificate
Also the 79 and possibly the 330 is not in the same hand as the rest of the certificate IMO
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I might be getting confused. If the codes refer to corrections, then there were errors or omissions and I should be able to find our what was corrected?
Is it usual for census codes to be added to death certificates? If so does this give us a clue as to what 79b (79√) means?
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I have only a few death certificates - no extra numbers/codes on any of them.
This uses codes in the studies, but I do not think it means that the numbers are on the certificates, just that the certificates are looked at and coded for the survey:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/occ8000.pdf
Still doing google searches, as, I agree, no reasonable explanation has been given.
Where did your certificate come from - who has handled them?
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I have only a few death certificates - no extra numbers/codes on any of them.
This uses codes in the studies, but I do not think it means that the numbers are on the certificates, just that the certificates are looked at and coded for the survey:
Hi,
I've got quite a few certificates of one kind or another, from memory the only one to have been altered is a birth certificate. The mother was unmarried but though the father's name was given it was crossed out.
This certificate is a copy from the registry office. I'm no expert but it looks like the details were added at the time.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/occ8000.pdf
Still doing google searches, as, I agree, no reasonable explanation has been given.
Where did your certificate come from - who has handled them?
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The death certificate carried several pieces of information that were used to create various tables published by the GROs in both England and Wales, and Scotland, in their Annual and Decennial reports. These included: when and where the person died; their place of residence; their sex; their age; their occupation;
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eia/ http://is.gd/SSb5Sy
There was the Supplement to registrar-general's seventy-fifth annual report. Part III: Registration summary tables, 1901-1910 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ei9/
Stan
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Stan,
Link does not work for me.
Added:
I mean the first link, as the second one was added after I posted.
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Not all the pages of that second link open, but will blame my computer.
There is a difference between assigning numbers to occupations to produce a report, and actually writing those numbers on the death certificate.
If the links that I cannot read state that numbers were added to the actual death certificate then that answers the query, I suppose.
But why would someone add numbers and then give the certificate to the family?
Sorry, are you doing some further clarification?
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Stan,
Link does not work for me.
Added:
I mean the first link, as the second one was added after I posted.
Use http://is.gd/SSb5Sy
I have no idea why the numbers are written on this particular certificate, and we will probably never know.
Stan
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Hi
Was the certificate issued by the GRO or the Local Register Office?
Andy
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Thank-you for the new link.
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If the certificate is from the GRO then it will be a copy of the quarterly return, and not the original held by the local registrar. Possibly the numbers were added to the return by a clerk in the Registrar Generals Office.
Stan
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Hi
Was the certificate issued by the GRO or the Local Register Office?
Andy
Andy, I obtained it from the GRO