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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: angelina ballerina on Sunday 04 January 15 20:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi, my relative Alice Wheeler born 1901 Rotherham, married 1921 to Horace Powell - ive just been told that she died in childbirth but I cant find a record of her death, or if the infant survivd. ive got 3 children, Eunice, Jean and Samuel but cant find any others, any ideas? thanks, angie x
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Years and district(s) for these kids?
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Has this one been eliminated?
Aiice powell death Dec 1932, ecclesall Bierlow 9c/419
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hi, not sure about ecclesall. ive got Samuel 1921, Jean 1926 and Eunice 1929. all at Rotherham. gaps seem a bit long. angie x
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The district is perfectly reasonable to think that it could be her death.
The only way to prove or disprove is to buy that certificate.
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In answer to your original post, if the 1932 possible is your Alice, there is no corresponding birth or death of a child, so it may not have lived.
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I'm going on what my aunt said she heard when she was a kid about 60 years ago, maybe she's got it wrong, but I thought I would have at least found Alice's death records, even as an older person, but I can't find that either. What do you think ? I don't know much else about her. Sometimes memories from living replies get mixed up don't they. X
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That's very true. Quite often there is some truth in family stories, whether it has been mixed up with age, to embellish the story, or to hide some other fact.
Have you tried checking electoral rolls or newspapers for Alice? Or if there are no other likely candidates in the death indexes, you might want to take a punt on the 1932 one, as PaulineJ has suggested.
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This sounds very familiar to a family story about my Grandad's sister, who died after being turned out of the family home after an argument with her husband in a bleak winter.
It turned out that she was committed to the Lunatic Asylum and died many years after the family story.
Colin
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Thanks Colin, they would still have their death recorded though surely, I just keep drawing blank like she disappeared off the face of the earth, ive got all the other family. x
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It shouldn't be considered a blank until After you have proved the ref I found isn't her.
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Did Alice have relatives living in Ecclesall Bierlow ? She may have gone to a relatives for the birth.
Edit - The Jessop Hospital for Women had an annexe at Norton Hall which is in Ecclesall B.
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hi Pauline, no relatives that I know of only Rotherham but I will investigate spouse Horace Powell in case he had. the last child I can find is 1929,Eunice., she was Rotherham born. Thanks. ange x
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Where and when did Horace die? That could be a pointer to where Alice died.
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thanks everyone, ive spent a long time scrolling throough records and still not found anything about alice, last record is 1929. If she were at Sheffields Jessops Womens hospital, is there anywhere I can check those records. if she died in childbirth, wouldn't the infant be registered as male or female infant? I cant be certain about Horace powell (spouse) there are no pointers to the whereabouts of him, but I know the three children went on to get married still in Rotherham x
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I give up, 2 days ive been at this, don't know where alice went and there are that many Horace powells, it could be several of them. thanks for your help x
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She could have died of a pregnancy - related illness, and the child stillborn, so not appearing on any index.
If you are not going to purchase the candidate death certificate, then I can't see any point in further conjecture.
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How close a relative is this Alice to you? If you don't want to purchase a certificate, it will be a long search, whether to find Alice, or locate Horace's death.
Do you have any of the children's marriage certificates? If so, is Horace listed as deceased on them? That will narrow down your search.
From your post, I gather there are no Horace Powell's in the Rotherham area. This lends more credence to the 1932 death that PaulineJ found, in my opinion.
Stillborns were registered in a separate register, but these records are closed to the public. As PaulineJ has said, Alice may have died of complications prior to birth.
Have you looked at newspapers for an obituary? I'm not sure whether the relevant newspapers are available online, but they could be searched in person.
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Hi Pauline, she isn't immediate to the line of family I am tracing, so you're right, no point in further conjecture, I was just curious in case I had missed something.