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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: lorrainec on Saturday 03 January 15 22:57 GMT (UK)
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Happy New Year!
I have scrounged the 1921 census but cannot find my Clewes family ... can someone help?
I am looking for James Dickson (Dixon) Clewes, b.1873 in York. He lived there with his family:
twin daughters, Agnes and Ellen b. 1913
His wife, Ellen (bl 1882) died of pneumonia in 1919.
Am hoping another pair of eyes will help me find them on the census!
Thanks
Lorrain
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Hi Lorrain:
Not sure but wondered if this could this be them? Trouble is James is listed as born in Scotland.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01egn/
1921 Canada Census - Ontario - York South - Sub-District 38 - York
James Clews - 49
Nellie Clews - 40
Agnes Clews - 7
Isabel Clews - 7
Jack Clews - 6
Emmeline L Clews - 5/12
sami
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Hi Sami
I don't think this is the right family - I took a look at this one too! Names work but dates and place of birth doesn't ....
Thanks!
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Sorry - I thought it wasn't quite right but still close enough to give it a try in case you hadn't seen it :P
I'll have another look :)
sami
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hmmm .... another Clewes I can't find on the 1921 census is Harry and wife Sylvia.
They are supposed to be living at 142 Bloor St. West .
Can anyone find them?
Thanks!
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Well, I had no luck looking for James Clewes and his daughters but I'll have a look for Harry and Sylvia.
Can you add some information on their ages, birth place etc.
sami
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Hi,
Short note in the Toronto Star - saying that 4 people died of pneumonia. Ellen Clewes, 37 years old, address 100 Wallace avenue. She was ill for 4 days.
You can also check for addresses in the 1921 Toronto directory.
https://archive.org/details/torontodirec192100midiuoft
HMM - just had a look in the 1921 directory. I see Harry at 142 Bloor (mentioned in previous posts). Ralph and William D are on Balliol... but no James.
Will have a look in 1922.
https://archive.org/stream/torontodirec192200midiuoft#page/756/mode/2up
Only Leonard, Ralph and William - on Balliol. Again, no James. ???
RK
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This is a tough family to find sometimes, due to misspelling of the name.
Harry (Henry Ralph - real name) and Sylvia - Harry was b.1891, son of John and Charlotte. He died in 1946 of pneumonia.
Sylvia is Sylvia Octavia Stockton, b. 1888, dau of AA Stockton of New Brunswick
Harry and Sylvia were married 1920 in New Jersey (not sure if that's right, but it's family lore)
That in itself is odd as Sylvia was a nurse during the war and in 1918-1919 was stationed at the Brant Military Hospital in Burlington (just found this: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sunnyann/Brant/brantnursingsisters.html
Harry was in Toronto and called to the bar in 1920 - so why they married in NJ is beyond me!! Sylvia's father was deceased at the time of her marriage and her mother lived in Toronto!
Thanks for your interest!
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Sylvia appears to have crossed the border to th USA in 1916 to visit her sister in New Jersey. I can't make out her sister's name. She gives her mother Amelia living at 388 Brunswick Ave in Toronto as her Canadian contact.
PB
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Hi again,
Short death notice in the Star for James Dickson Clewes says he died in Toronto on Dec 5, 1936 and was 61. Husband of the late Helen. No other family mentioned. Buried in Mount Pleasant. Funeral home was Trull on the Danforth... so he likely ??? lived in the East End of the City when he died. This isn't for sure, of course. But if he still lived in the West (Wallace Ave), he might have used a funeral home in that part of the city??
So, you might want to expand your 1921 census search to East York, as well as Toronto City?? Just a thought.
RK
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Thank you, RunKitty!
so, if no other family is mentioned .... wonder if the twins had passed away by then?
Will see if I can get some info from Mt. Pleasant ... might be something on the headstone.
Cheers!
Lorraine
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Hi,
This might help
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=clewes&GSiman=1&GScid=639401&GRid=61905831&
Photos of the stone are hard to read. ???
RK
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Nothing about any of James' children .... maybe the girls were still alive?
But ... still doesn't explain why he/they are not on the census!!
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I know...
This site has 2 sons for him... no girls. ??? ???
http://www.clewes.com/clewesfamily/PS01/PS01_042.htm
As for the 1921 census... I still can't find my grandmother on it!! I know exactly where she lived and who was there, but I can't find the census page for my records - no matter how I search. For some reason, I can't find any of the neighbours or even the street (transcriptions are not fantastic!!). So, just because you can't find them, doesn't mean they aren't there!!
RK
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Kitty
That site is my ex brother in law's and alot of the info is incorrect which is why I am tracing original documents as much as possible!
Why would a family not be on the census? are there pages of the census missing or just not digitized yet?
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Why would a family not be on the census? are there pages of the census missing or just not digitized yet?
I think everything they had was digitised - but it wouldn't be surprising to have parts missing. Plus the 1921 census has some sections that have been transcribed very poorly.
sami
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Thanks Sami!
I have found John Alexander's birth - James and Ellen were the parents. Shame, he died when he was 20 from a fall while skating (hit his head). BUT, here is another Clewes who should be on the census. His name was misspelled as Clowes ....
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Informant on death registration of James Dickson Clewes was his unmarried daughter Agnes of 44 Belmont Road.
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Sorry to butt in here. Is there any possibility that James spent some time in England?
I have a distant relative in my tree - Blanche Elizabeth Lewis who married a James Dickson Clewes in 1902 in Fulham. There is also a marriage between a James Dickson Clewes and Ada Sabina Boorman in 1898 in Chelsea, but Ada seems to have died in Liverpool later in 1898.
I haven't found James Dickson Clewes on any other British census or BMD records, but as you've noted it's not always an easy name to track down.
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Hello!
Thank you for your interest. I don't think your JD Clewes is mine ... he was married to Helen in 1902 in Canada ...
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Thanks anyway.
Back to the drawing board I think.
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Hello again.
I've just got a copy of the marriage certificate of my James Dickson Clewes to Blanche Elizabeth Lewis.
Marriage was 3 July 1902 at Fulham Register Office. James gives his details as widower, aged 28, occupation plumber(master), father John Clewes also plumber(master).
I notice from familysearch that the Canadian marriage of James Dickson Clewes to Ellen/Helen was in December 1911.
Might they be the same person after all?
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oh my word! Maybe so! Can you tell me what else is on the marriage cert?
I know that my James married Ellen in 1911, had 3 children and then Ellen died in 1919.
If he went to England early in the 1900's and married your lady, did they have any family?
When did Blanche die?
That would mean he was married at least 3 times if he states he was a widower in 1902!.
That might also explain why I can't find him on the 1891 Canada census - perhaps he was in England then. Is Blanche from England?
hmmm
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The only other information relating to James on the marriage certificate is his address: Vera Road, Fulham (House number not very clear, possibly 11B).
Blanche is Blanche Elizabeth Lewis, aged 21, same address, father Osmund Lewis (deceased), father's occupation Lawyer's Clerk.
Witnesses were Amy Randall and M Durrant.
Blanche was born in Battersea and the family lived at various addresses in Battersea, Pimlico and Chelsea.
I don't think there were any children from the marriage, but I can't find Blanche on the 1911 British census, and I can't find James on any British census.
As for Blanche's death -hmmm. Well there is a Blanche Elizabeth Clewes of the right sort of age who died in Lambeth Hospital in 1927. The entry in the National Probate Calendar says she was the wife of James. Can't say for certain it's the same Blanche but what would the implications of that be?
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Could be lots of implications .... may also not be the same people!
If I could only find him on the 1921 Canada census, or any 1921 census for that matter!
I do love genealogical mysteries!
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There are 2 James Clewes on the Canada 1921 census but neither is mine. Perhaps one is yours?
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Yes I like a mystery too.
I think this one may take a while to solve.