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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Bugman on Saturday 03 January 15 14:05 GMT (UK)
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I have found there were three Burn families living at Walworth, Durham, between 1822 & 1831, all were farmers, any information of any of the families would be appreciated.
Birth records are as follows -
1822 April 21st, Joshua son of William & Jane Burne
1824 April 25th, Thomas son of John & Ann Burn
1826 March 26th, John son of John & Mary Burn
1828 April 6th, Mathew son of John & Ann Burn
Note- I was informed by one researcher that John married Mary Ann Bell, which may account for the two different forenames of John's wife, further research is required to confirm this.
1826 April 1826, Thomas son of Thomas & Ann Burn
1828 Feb 2nd, Robert " " " " " " "
1829 Dec 26th, Sarah " " " " " " "
1831 May 18th, John Walker " " " " "
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The marriages of William and Thomas show up on Durham Records Online as having taken place by Marriage Bond ie licence from the diocese instead of by banns. Thomas is shown as being from Walworth and William from High Walworth, both in the parish of Heighington. If you want to see the details of these bonds you can do so through the purchase of credits for the Durham website. I have managed to find the wedding of William on the FreeREG website. On the 11th of May 1821 William Burn, farmer, of the parish of Heighington married Jane Boysford (hope that's right - my writing is as usual a bit of a scribble) of Gainford at Gainford church. Can't find John. I guess he married by banns somewhere.
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Thank very much for the information, I just got back from Durham records office, and I found the marriage record for William Burn he married Jane Bousfield.
What I need to find out is what relationship if any they were to John Burn, he was from Gainford, and is my Great G G G Grandfather, I still have not found a marriage record for John & Ann, she was from Westmoreland, I know they had around 8 children and when & where they died, I presume they were married around 1823.
John.
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Hi could it be this marriage?
John Burn to Ann Rayne 28th January 1821 St Nicholas, Newcastle
Keyboard86
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What are the details of John Burn's death? I was wondering if there could be some hint there which could give some guidance as to his earlier life.
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John's Possible marriage to Ann Rayne could be well worth a look at, she may well have been born in Westmoreland, but families certainly did move great distances looking for work.
John was born at Gainford in 1779, he then appears at walworth (see above records) then Hurworth, around 1829, then brompton Yorks, around 1840, where he dies.
John would have been around 45 when his first recorded child was baptised, he could quite possibly have had a previous marriage,
The Birth places of 2 of his children is not known at present, Elizabeth born 1832, possibly married into the Thompson family, and James born 1834, died aged 6, Brompton.
John.
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Am I right in assuming he was an agricultural labourer? He was moving round a similar area to some of my ancestors.
As to the marriage at St Nicholas Newcastle - my great grandparents married there, even though they lived in a village about 30 miles away. She was at an advanced stage of pregnancy, so i guess they were seeking to get away from nosy neighbours and a judgmental local vicar.
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I do not know if he was an agricultural laborer, tenant farmer, or actully owned the land.
I now know Johns wife was from Westmoreland so they probably married there.
I have also bee informed that Mary Rayne married a chap called Wilson, at Newcastle.
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I noticed this on the North East Inheritance data base - the will of Anthony Burn of Westerton, St Andrew Auckland, 1756/ probate 1760. In it he leaves money to his nephews Thomas and John Burn of Gainford, for whom he seems to be a guardian, for he makes arrangements for someone to be their trustee until they come of age. Gainford records show the births of Thomas in 1748 and John in 1750 to John Burn, so he must be Anthony's brother. There may be other Burns there whose wills could be useful.
(Sorry. I just messed up the link. I'll have another go when I have a moment)
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http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/neisearch.php#x1760.Burn.1
Hope this works
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Thank you very much for this information, I was beginning to despair of getting any new information at all, I have to admit compared to people like yourself I am a novice.
It would be nice to know who were John and Anthony parents were.
I always wondered if Walter and Alice were his John's parents, their son John was baptised at Gainford in 1710, the daughter Ann 1708, they were living at Bolam, but none of John's or Thomas's children are named after them, which seems to be the usual case in those days.
i was going to put in a new post regarding Walter etc, I may still do.
any links would be appreciated.
John.
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Hi, yes your link worked, thank you once again.
John.
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I have had another search for Anthony's birth, but without success. I also tried looking for the sister who is named in his will - Elizabeth, married to Thomas Watson - but again without success. I couldn't see a name for the sister married to George Gilling, so perhaps she had already died. Of course, at that time talking about a brother in-law might not have the same meaning that it would today. A stepson, for example, was called a son-in-law. But that all starts to get a bit too complicated. I think your real problem is that once you get back to the early 18th century, not quite so many records are available online, so searches become less revealing.
Changing tack slightly; you gave the dates of birth for John's sons, in 1824, 1826 and 1828. Which church were they baptized in?
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Just got back from Durham records office, looked for Anthony & Elizabeth, like you no luck,
No idea where they were baptized, I will recheck the Heighington records they were probably from there. next time I go to the records office.
are you a Burn?
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If they were living in Walworth Heighington should be their parish. I thought that if they were baptized elsewhere it would show a particular family loyalty - which would be helpful. In fact, some Walworth families went to Denton, but I had a quick glance and there weren't any Burns. A pity, because Denton records are much more detailed than those of Heighington on the whole.
No, I'm not a Burn. However I am concerned with the Todds who are in the same area. There are several branches of the Todds in Walworth, but after tracking various links and drawing family trees with lots of lines going everywhere to show distant connections - usually thanks to wills in the Inheritance database - I sadly find that the line I am concerned with is the less well recorded Redworth branch, whose records are nearly all in the scrappy Heighington register. So i am repeatedly going over the same ground as you. I also have various interests in the Gainford area.
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Just been looking at the tithe section on the same site of the will you found for me
have you got the Cuthbert Todd record on page 21 at Hamsterley, I did not check what land he owned.
John.
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I noticed there was another Todd at Heighington on the tithe records Christopher Todd occupier, not a land owner this time, page 5.
you probably already have this record, but I will send it anyway.
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A marriage on FreeReg. At West Witton, North Yorks.
17 Jul 1823. John Burn of Walworth, Huntington (mistranscribed from Heighington?), Bachelor, and Ann Bell of West Witton, Spinster. Witnesses - Matthew Bell and Thomas Burn. By License.
I assume this is your John in 1851, in Brompton, Northallerton :
John Burn, Head, mar, 73, Coal Dealer, b. Durham, Gainford.
Mary Ann Burn, dau, 12, b. Yorks, Brompton,
William Burn, son, 22, Blacksmith, b. Durham, Hurworth,
James Burn, son 7, b. Yorks, Brompton.
So this will be James baptism on Familysearch.
James Burn, 10 Feb 1844, Brompton by Northallerton. Parents John and Ann.
James birth cert will confirm his mothers maiden name. James Burn, Northallerton, Mar qtr 1844.vol 24, p 413.
Alan.
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Thank you for that, it looks like you have solved the problem.
the other major problem now is finding out who was the grandfather of Thomas Burn 1748, and John Burn 1750 a Gainford, their father john had at least one brother and sister Anthony & Elizabeth, it would have been so nice to get into the 17th century.
I think it is possible that Anthony never married, as he left no money to a wife or children, perhaps they died?
Elizabeth married Thomas Watson they lived at Westerton, Durham, as did Anthony when he made out the will.
He also had another brother -in -law George Gilling.
John.
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If you fancy starting from the 17th century, rather than working back to it, here is a useful site - the Hearth Tax records.
http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/communities/durham/
You can find out where the Burns were living from the Durham surname list.
Thanks for the mention of the Tithe records. The 1840s are a bit late, because by that time the Todds were begininng to move into other parishes, and I know where the ones of interest were living.