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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Wiggy on Monday 29 December 14 04:18 GMT (UK)
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Another birth - this time May 1659 in Ottery St Marys Devon.
John son of John Clapp of . . .? ? . . and of Jane his wife was born in this ?? the eighteenth . . . . infant? and baptised ? . . . . .
Last entry on the clip.
Thanks for any help you are able to give.
Wiggy :)
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John the son of Charles Martyn or Maztyn and his wife John (unsure of rest). Sandra
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Thanks Sandra! :)
- but it is the last one on the page I am interested in - John Clapp. ;)
I didn't make it very clear did I. Sorry.
I just included more of the page so people could compare letters and method of writing. :)
Wiggy :)
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Hi Wiggy:
This isn't much help but here is the familysearch reference for the Baptism:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRMD-8FN
It lists the Birth on the 18 May 1659 and the Christening on 19 May 1659.
I can't make out much on the record:
John the son of John Clapp of ?ozley ? & of Jane his wife was borne in this ? the eighteenth ? and Baptised also the ? ? ? ?
That last line is a tough one :P
sami
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Hi Wiggy
My Guess:
John the Son of John Clapp at ?Mosley ?hus-- and of
Jane his wife was borne on -- the eighteenth
?infant and baptised
last line may be: Thursday - - - X X by me
Regards Crowsfeet
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Hi Crowsfeet,
yes . . . think it might be the name of a farm or something maybe . . .and of Jane .
Think you are correct about the Thursday though. ;)
Thanks for your interest - tricky isn't it! :)
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John the son of John Clapp of ?????? ????? & of Jane his wife was born ^ [in the 7/8th ye?? [year?] ] the eighteenth instant and baptised ???
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Funny, that should have been all question marks, not santas
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John the son of John Clapp of Mozley Harbo? of Jane his wife was in this ? born on the 18th instant and baptised also tho? can't read any further . Sandra
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(YT - If you back up more than 3 question marks at once they change into 'Huh' type smilies! ;) ;) )
Thanks YT - I think you are correct about the 'instant' - not sure about the 7/8 year though
Sandra - again thanks - think the last bit is just saying the same day as above baptisms in May 1659
and I think the sign just before the 'of' Jane is an & sign.
You could well be right about the name of the property - or whatever. I was seeing something similar but wasn't at all sure.
Thank you! ;) Nothing like a collective or eyes to help sort something out - thank you all.
See if anyone else can see anything . . . . . . ;)
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I make it Mozley which is probably Mosley as Croswfeet says.
eighteenth instant i.e. 18th of this month (whatever month it was - oh I see it was May)
Dawn M
Strange - I hit Post and walked away ten minutes ago, and now find nothing happened ??? DM
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Think the place is Norley.
Mo
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Hi Mo,
Would Norley be a farm name - or a place nearby, do you think?
Thanks for looking in.
Wiggy
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Not sure, but I am still looking Wiggy :)
Mo
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From the 12th century to 1752, the civil or legal year in England began on 25 March, Lady Day. The [7/8th] [I think it looks like 8/9] would be because the birth would have been between the 1st Jan, and 25th March. The baptism was in May.
I am not sure about the wording after the 8/9, might not be year
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No I don't think it says year - to tell the truth I can't even see the numerals yet - still trying though!
Thanks YT. :)
On other records - not these, the days are noted as 'After the Visitation' - what visitation would that be - Christmas?? Annunciation?? Michaelmas??
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Don't know if this helps
Regards
Malky
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I read it as ...
John the son of John Clapp of Norley husb(andman) & of
Jane his wife was borne ^in this p(ar)ishe^ the Eighteenth
instant and Baptised alsoe the xjxth (19th)
Thursday (...?) the xxvjth
The last line at the foot of the page may relate to the date the entries were written up in the register. In any case I don't think it's connected with the baptism.
There is a Norley in the parish of North Lew, near Hatherleigh, but it is some 40-odd miles from Ottery.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?DEV,SX505991,5,North%20Lew
The 'Visitation' would be the episcopal visitation, when the Anglican bishop (or his representative) would visit the parishes in the deanery to inform himself about the ministry there and satisfy himself that everything was in order. Theoretically the parish registers might be inspected at that time.
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That seem's a better translation than mine.
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Still think it is Mosley as sthere is an M written the same way on the page.
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This MAY help you !!
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The hand used in this register is English Secretary, not court hand.
In this hand, the capital letters M and N are very similar. They begin with the same flourish, but the M has one more downstroke and upstroke than the N.
Still think it is Mosley as sthere is an M written the same way on the page.
Sandra bee, can you say which letter M you were looking at for comparison? For example, there is a capital M in the heading, for the month of Maye.
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Looking again at it the M in Maye starts with the florish and realise now it could be an N with a florish. Could be N possibly. Sandra
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Once again thank you all for your assistance -
Malky - that did make it clearer didn't it!
Thanks everyone. :) Much obliged for all the help! And for the explanations.
I sort of guessed it may have been an episcopal visit but needed it confirmed. :)
Wiggy
p.s. Love it Brit - but Hmmmmm very confusing isn't it!! ;D ;D
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I, personally am leaning towards the spelling of "Nosley" but thats only an opinion. It is in the same general area of Mosley.
Nosley
NOSLEY, an extra-parochial liberty, in the hundred of Gartree, S. division of the county of Leicester, 8½ miles (N. by E.) from Market-Harborough; containing 20 inhabitants. A chantry, or college, was founded about 1274, by Sir Anketine de Martival; it was dedicated to the Ascension of Our Lord and the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin, and in the reign of Henry VI. was valued at £6. 13. 4. per annum. The liberty comprises 1316 acres of land, nearly all the property of Sir A. G. Hazlerigg, Bart., of Nosley Hall, a fine old mansion in a small park, which has belonged to his family since 1414: the Hall contains many valuable paintings.
From :- http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp446-461#h3-0007
Regards
Malky
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Yes but these records come from Devon near Honiton! ;)
So Leicestershire doesn't sound right!
Wiggy :)
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I, personally am leaning towards the spelling of "Nosley" but thats only an opinion.
I see the 3rd letter of the place name as r rather than s.
It is the same as the middle letter of the word borne.
Just another opinion. :)
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I agree with Bookbox.. I think it's Norley ( Devon) Definitely an R in my opinion Wiggy ....
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Thanks one and all!
I reckon it is too - (specially as the records come from a neighbouring parish!)
Wiggy ;)