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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: kirkbairn on Friday 26 December 14 23:22 GMT (UK)
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looking for the marriage of Jessie bartholomew father was Peter in the Barrow in Furnace are around 1885 believe she was born in Wales
Thanks in advance for help
Jim
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Do you mean this marriage?
Marriages December quarter 1883 Jessie Matilda BARTHOLOMEW Barrow F 8e 1322
James Thomas Miller
Thomas Piper
Esther Whorton
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Thomas looks to have married Esther.
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From 1881 census, just to confirm age and birthplace:
Class: RG11; Piece: 4291; Folio: 1; Page: 1
Ferry Cottage, Barrow-in-Furness
Bartholemew, Peter Head M 41 Mariner b Scotland
Bartholemew, Eliza Wife F 34 b Newport, Monmouthshire
Bartholemew, Jessie Daughter F 14 Domestic Servant Unemployed b Newport, Mon
Bowen, Ernest Nephew M 13 Scholar b Newport, Mon
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Went to America after the marriage?
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thanks wondered why Tomas Piper and Esther Wharton was listed on her marriage
why do you say they went to America
Jim
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thanks wondered why Tomas Piper and Esther Wharton was listed on her marriage
why do you say they went to America
Jim
Hi Jim, I believe the fact we cannot locate James Thomas Miller or Jessie in 1891/1901/1911 census has something to do with it!
Keyboard86
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Hi again, their is possibly the future husband of Jessie also living in Barrow in Furness 1881:-
James Thomas Miller 22 occ Iron Ship Rivetter b Ireland
He is the son of William and Sarah Jane Miller all the family including siblings are born Ireland
Residing at 102, Brick Cottages, Barrow in Furness
Census Ref RG11/4291/11/21
Keyboard86
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Marriage ref 1883 as quoted by chempat has names of those that Married with that reg no.
2 males/2 females (sometimes there are more names)
As Tom Piper has a Wife Esther in subsequent Census it was Esther Whorton he married.
Christening;
St John, Barrow, Lancashire
ELIZA BARTHOLOMEW Miller, 29 Dec 1886
Parents JAMES THOMAS and JESSIE MATILDA Miller
(Source Familysearch.Org)
1900 Census
Precinct B Cleveland City Ward 29, Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
James T Miller, 39, White, Mar for 17yrs, Birth Mar 1861 England, Emigrated 1887**
Jessie, Wife, 34, Birth Dec 1866 England
Eliza B, 14, Daug, born England
Jessie, 12, Daug, born Ohio
William J, 9, Son, born Ohio
Hazel, 1, Daug, born Ohio
(Source Familysearch.Org)
By 1905 they have extra Children Earl 4 and Alice 1
Trish :)
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I queried that they had gone to America because that was where the couple appeared to be on various censuses.
As you had not stated why you were looking for a marriage or how you had got to Jessie Bartholomew, and not even sure where she was born, then possibly you knew she had gone to America and were approaching her from that direction.
As the marriage was so obvious, I wondered if you were not used to using free bmd, and so, possibly, American.
A little more background would have been useful.
How are you connected to her?
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http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/index.php
BARTHOLOMEW Jessie M + MILLER James T 1883 St Mark, Barrow in Furness.
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Thanks for all your help
the Bartholomew line is my wifes
Jessies Father is her grgrgr fathers brother
Jim
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This is my family - Peter was my great great grandfather. His only child Jessie was married to James T. Miller and their oldest child was my grandmother, Eliza. The family lived in Ohio for years, but in 1905 relocated to Brooklyn, N.Y. That's where my father was born. I am trying to find out where in Ireland that James Miller was born.
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Welcome to rootschat, Lisa.
This is the 1881 census that has been suggested for James T Miller before his marriage
Barrow in Furness Lancashire
Living at 102 Brick Cottages Barrow In Furness
William Miller 45 Iron Ship Rivetters Holder Up born Ireland
Sarah Jane Miller 45 born Ireland
James Thos. Miller 22 born Ireland Iron Ship Rivetter
Robert Alexr. Miller 19 born Ireland Iron Ship Caulker
Andrew Miller 17 born Ireland Tailor
David Miller 15 born Ireland Iron Ship Rivetter
Joseph Miller 10 born Ireland
Sarah Jane Miller 7 born Ireland
John Herbert Miller 22 nephew Ireland Ship Steward S A Antrim
Jessie Miller 21 niece Douglas Isle of Man
Charlotte Wylie Miller nephew's daughter Douglas Isle of Man
Class RG11 Piece 4291 Folio 11 Page 21
Where have you looked to try and find more information about James?
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This is information about John Herbert Miller from that 1881 census, trying to build up more details about the whole family:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZ12-TVB
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Looking for family in other years to see if anyone mentions a more specific birthplace, but not for parents in 1891
1891
Barrow In Furness
William Miller 55 Ireland holder-up to rivetter
Sarah J Miller 55 Ireland
Joseph Miller 20 Ireland tailor
Sarah J Miller 17 Ireland dress maker
John H Miller 4 born Barrow, relationship not specified
Class RG12 Piece 3486 Folio 91 Page 22
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In 1901 William and Sarah are 'born Ireland' and John H is recorded as son.
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Posting this reply on behalf of Lisa Bartley who had clicked the report to moderator button instead of the reply button :)
Ancestry was the only source...but on all the census' after his marriage his place of birth was listed as England. This was the first source that gave his parents names.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi
I have just come across your post while looking for information on Charlotte Wyllie Miller. I only have her on the 1881 census. Apart from her Christening she doesn't appear on the Isle of Man records.any ideas. I do know that her brother David Miller was living with his aunt and uncle Mary and John Hart at Stubshaw Cross Ashton in Makerfield in 1901. He was taken in by them after his mother Jessie Casey Miller died in 1898. I realise you are looking for something totally different to me, but wondered if you had anything on Charlotte.
Thankyou
Joyce