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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: yffor on Sunday 21 December 14 15:38 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any information on Richard Glyn Lloyd born in December 1889. His parents were Richard Alfred and Mary Margaret (nee Thomson) Lloyd. He had two sisters Gwendoline and Blodwen. He was a teacher Barnsole Road Council School Gillingham Kent in 1920.
I think he passed away Chatham Kent in 1968.
Can anyone help please.
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
On the London Electoral Register 1934 & 1935 there is a Richard Glynne Lloyd living at 82 Wrexham Road, Poplar with the following people -
David Richard Lloyd
Dewi Ffoulkes Lloyd
John Meiron Lloyd
Ruth lloyd
Are the above names familiar to you?
JJ
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This looks like your man in 1911
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDK-CXZ
Likely birth registration
Richard Glynne Lloyd
Q1 1890 Westminster Vol 1a, p512
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1901 - 23 Blandford Rd, Acton
Richard A Lloyd 50 - secret service agent, Llanon Carmarthenshire [yes that is what it says!]
Mary M Lloyd 42- Yorkshire ?
Richard G Lloyd 11 - b St James
Gwendoline Lloyd 8 - b Marylebone
Martha Somerville 71 - mother in law, b Northfield, Yorks
RG13, 1205, 52, 35
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Hi JJ,
They are not familiar but very useful names if it is the correct person. I am actually trying to trace Richard Glyn's father, Richard Alfred. According to Censuses he was born in Wales, but unfortunately he has been impossible to find prior to 1881 census (he was born around 1851).
I am now trying to find his descendants to see whether I can make any headway through that avenue.
Thanks.
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1891 Richard A Lloyd's occupation is Managing Leicester Trading Bros, and he is b Aberech, Caernarvonshire. There is a daughter Blodwen b c1888
I was a little dubious of that occupation, but searching a newspaper archive I found an item in Y Genedl Cymreig of Thursday, January 29, 1880 referring to the North Wales Express publishing the first in a series of articles called "Reminiscences of a Welsh detective in London" by Richard ALfred Lloyd (Cystenyn), formerly of Caernarfon
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Thanks Mabel Bagshawe,
I am familiar with Richard Alfred Lloyd after 1881. If you read my reply to JJ you will see that I am looking for Richard Alfred Lloyd prior to 1881.
Keith
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OK - North Wales Express, 19 December 1879
DETECTIVE LLOYD.—Mr Richard Alfred Lloyd, who distinguished himself so much in connection with the Liverpool mystery, paid a visit to this town last week. He was for some years connected with the police force of this county, and was once on the post office staff. He is a bard of no mean pretensions, having been a pupil of the late Cyn-ddelw. For the past five years he has been in London as a detective, and is engaged by Government in important cases. He was returning from Rome when he accidentally read in the papers of Miss Edwards' case. He sent for a photograph, and the day after reoeiving it he found her. When it is borne in mind that the thousands of police and detectives in London had for weeks previously been following up this matter, it must redeund more to Mr Lloyd's credit.
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And if you scroll down to the bottom of this item about "the Liverpool Mystery" you get an outline of R A Lloyd's early life
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3558837/ART45/the%20liverpool%20mystery
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Thanks Mabel Bagshawe,
Whilst I agree that Richard Alfred's birth County on the 1901 Census does say Carmarthen, the village is Llannor (Caernarvonshire). Because the other Census returns confirms his birth County as Carnarvon I have assumed that the 1901 entry is a transcription error.
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Do you have Richard Alfred Lloyd's marriage cert to Mary Margaret Thomson in 1881?
JJ
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Hi JJ,
Yes I have the marriage certificate and baptism for the three children Richard Glyn, Gwendoline and Blodwen.
Thanks
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Found the details of the marriage -
Richard Alfred Lloyd, Private Detective
Spouse - Mary Margaret Thomson
26 Nov 1881, St Marylebone, Westminster
Father's name - Richard Adam Lloyd (dec) Clerk in Holy Orders
Spuse father - Donald Thomson (dec)
The name of Richard's father should hopefully help :)
JJ
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Hi JJ,
Unfortunately not. Cannot find any mention of him. That is my problem. I am trying to confirm the Carnarvonshire connection to Richard Alfred Lloyd. I think he changed his name prior to the 1881 Census. If that is the case, his father's name is incorrect and it will be very difficult to identify him.
That is why I am trying to find living descendents. He is both an elusive and colourful character.
yffor.com
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I agree there maybe a change of name as I can't see a birth under that name. Also the item I linked to with his history mentions moving to caernarfon then "After coming to Carnarvon, Lloyd's mother was married to Mr John Jones, nailer, Pool-street." No mention of a father in the article, and if he'd been a clerk in holy orders I'm sure that would have merited a mention. i suspect mother was not married.
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Ok - workign backwards. Pool St, Caernarfon 1881. JOneses all born the same place
John Jones 51 - nailer b Llanbeblig, widower
Margaret Jones 24 - daughter, widow
John Jones 20 - son, butcher
C. Ann Jones 19 - daughter
Thomas Owen 14 - visitor
William Hope 21 - lodger
Mary Hope 9 - lodgr
Aha! 1871, Pool St
John Jones 42 - nailer manufacterer
Catharine Jones 37 - wife b Llangybi
Mary J Jones 15 - daughter, milliner
John P Jones 11
Anna Jones 9
Robert A Lloyd 21 <<<< lodger, b Llanor, militiaman
RG10, 5721, 51, 11
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Thank you Mabel Bagshawe,
I am trying to find the mother before she was widowed.
yffor.com
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Ok - workign backwards. Pool St, Caernarfon 1881. JOneses all born the same place
John Jones 51 - nailer b Llanbeblig, widower
Margaret Jones 24 - daughter, widow
John Jones 20 - son, butcher
C. Ann Jones 19 - daughter
Thomas Owen 14 - visitor
William Hope 21 - lodger
Mary Hope 9 - lodgr
Aha! 1871, Pool St
John Jones 42 - nailer manufacterer
Catharine Jones 37 - wife b Llangybi
Mary J Jones 15 - daughter, milliner
John P Jones 11
Anna Jones 9
Robert A Lloyd 21 <<<< lodger, b Llanor, militiaman
RG10, 5721, 51, 11
Good find Mabel :) :)
JJ
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I think Mabel deserves at least :) :) :)
yffor.com
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Hi,
I am a teacher at Dartford Grammar School and I have been researching pupils from the school who fought during World War I. I have found your notice about Richard Glynne Lloyd here, so I thought I ought to send you some information on him.
The Spring 1919 Dartfordian magazine gives the following details about him: "DGS 1904-08. Prefect 1907. “School Poet.” Enlisted in the 9th Battalion of the Queen’s Own Royal West Kent Regiment in 1915. Served in France with the 7th Battalion from August 1916 to 1918."
A previous edition of the magazine in 1916 actually printed a poem by him, which is as follows:
The New Boy
A hitherto unpublished poem by the author of “The Forwards Would Not Shoot”, “The Studious Lad”, “Engledow’s ‘Swotty’ Book”, “The Fundatores’ Revel”, etc., found in a waste-paper basked some years after the ‘poet’ had finished his schooldays.
I am but a new boy, but I think I may say
That since I have been to this school
My habits are changed, and I feel a new chap
Though they call me ‘old man’ as a rule.
No longer you’ll see me roll in the mud,
Nor hear me in school make a row,
For you see, I must keep appearances up,
For I go to the Grammar School now!
If there was one thing I never could bear,
‘Twas the History of England and Wales;
But not ‘tis all changed, we don’t learn that dry stuff,
But we read Meiklejohn’s fairy tales.
I don’t think they’re true, though they make out they are,
For myself I could never see how:
But they’ve very amusing, I read them right through,
For I go to the Grammar School now.
But I’ve duties as well as pleasures, you know,
At the Grammar School we’re a smart lot;
We don’t loll about, but stand on the square,
When found talking, we catch it quite hot.
For football I change every day of the week,
If I didn’t, there would be a row!
I don’t learn Latin, but change always for Gym,
For I go to the Grammar School now!
Paper-fasteners and nibs I am never without,
(A penny-worth last for a year).
My books are all covered in brown paper so neat,
No complaints about me you can hear!
It’s not as we like, it is as we are told,
For we have to authority bow.
I don’t want to learn Euclid, but I must, I suppose,
For I go to the Grammar School now.
One thing that I like is to be in the Lab,
Mixing up all the liquids I see:
Astute H2O and strong HCl
Are all the same substance to me.
They say there’s a prefect* who lives in the Lab,
It’s sounds a bit quaint, I’ll allow,
But I’m used to strange things, for I see them each day,
For I go to the Grammar School now!
RG Lloyd, January 1908.
Now Sergt. RWK Regt.
*Lieut. Engledow? – Ed. [a pupil who later became a famous scientist].
I hope that you find this interesting. If you could give me any more information about him I would be very grateful. For instance, where can I find any more information about his later life, such as his teaching career?
Thanks,
Dave Barrett
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I realise it is some time since there was any activity on this thread, but I came across Richard Alfred Lloyd, who is mentioned here a few times as the father of Richard Glynne Lloyd, through his role in "The Edwards Mystery" where he found a woman who had gone missing from Liverpool and cashed in on what was probably a little bit of luck. The relevant part of the story is at https://victoriancrimeandotherstories.home.blog/2019/11/16/mr-lloyd-investigates (https://victoriancrimeandotherstories.home.blog/2019/11/16/mr-lloyd-investigates) for anyone who is researching Mr Lloyd.