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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: GeoffRyan on Saturday 20 December 14 18:44 GMT (UK)
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My GGrandfather Cornelius Langshaw b1864 in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, Married Rose Ann Devine in 1894 Salford, They had 7 children all born in Salford, but never able to find any Baptism records for them until recently when I found 2 Baptisms both on the same day
at St Matthews, Manchester on 29 Nov 1911, Olive born Dec 1905 and John born Aug 1911, But living at 6 Eltoft St, Manchester. I know the family moved into 25 Mulgrave St, Lwr Broughton, Salford, Lancashire between 1901 and 1911 when they appear on the 1911 Census,
and the family lived there untill demolition in the 1970s.
My GGrandfather was a Police Constable in Salford, Could he have been transfered to Manchester because of a special event or Emergency that was taking place in Manchester
if so, what!
Regards
Geoff
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Marriage: 13 Sep 1894 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
Cornelius Langshaw - 29, Mechanic, Bachelor, 5 Cavendish Street
Rose Devine - 24, Spool Winder, Spinster, 5 Cavendish Street
Groom's Father: Roger Langshaw, (deceased), Mechanic
Bride's Father: Thomas Devine, Bricklayer
Witness: Thomas Burgess; Eliza Burgess
Married by Licence by: Robert Alfred Ernest Bell
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Do you know where Cornelius is in 1901?
1901
23 Nora Street, Broughton
Rose Langshaw Head 30
Charles Langshaw 6
George Langshaw 4
Margaret Langshaw 3
Rose E Langshaw 1
Frederick W Langshaw 1
Mary A Devine 50
Added: Boar war?
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Hi, heatherjulie
Thanks for the rapid response, Yes thats my family, my problem is why they are in manchester in 1911 when their home is in Salford, I can only think its linked to Cornelius's work as a Salford Constable but can find no event or emergency at that time which would involve movement of Police.
Thanks for your heip.
Geoff
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Sorry heatherjulie, only just noticed your question in your 2nd reply.
Cornelius joined the army sometime before 1890 and in the 1891 census is based at Frimley,Farnham,Aldershot,Basinstoke,Hampshire as an Acting Bombardier, with the Royal Horse Artillery. He left just before 1900 and joined Salford Police but a short time later was Recalled to Colours and went to South Africa. Not really been able to find much about his Army or Police careers.
Geoff
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Hello,
The addresses are all quite close to each other, I think.
What addresses are given on Olive and John's birth certificates?
There doesn't seem to be a connection to the family living in Eltoft Street in 1911 census. :-\
Heywood
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HI heywood,
Cornelius's family moved from Bolton to Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, where he was born around 1862 and apart from 2 brothers who stayed all the family moved to Manchester and are on the 1881 census,
so Cornelius has relatives in Manchester but that does not explain why the address on the Baptisms is Eltoft St, when his home was Mulgrave St Salford, and ALL his children were born there, That is why I think it must have something to do with his work as a Police Constable and was transfered. I looked at the Eltoft St 1911 census and no connection with the family living there apart from one son born in Salford but that was in the Regent Rd area
Thak you
Geoff
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They might just have preferred St Matthews Church, or maybe it was nearer to their house in Salford, than a church in Salford. Manchester and Salford are right next to each other, both cities, but Salford now comes under Greater Manchester.
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hi,,,he joined the militia in 1885....4th battalion the Manchester regiment,,,but then almost immiediately joined the regulars,,,,enlisting in the Royal Artillery the same year. His service records for both are on findmypast.
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Hi Geoff,
Yes I saw Cornelius' history re Bolton, Mansfield etc.
I think it might be just a simple explanation like Lizzie says. Had he been transferred to Manchester, I can't see that he would have to move house.
You say "ALL his children were born there". Do you mean Salford or Musgrave Street? Rose was in Nora Street in 1901 - was that her mother's address?
Regards
Heywood
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In 1901, the family at 6 Eltoft Street are William and Emily Tobin
It doesn't answer your question but there is a marriage for
Norah TOBIN and Timothy S DEVINE in 1899 at Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended
A distant relation?
Heather
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Eltoft St , which was almost at the back of St Matthews, is only a short walk from the start of Regent Rd.
I'm not sure if The parish of St Matthew stretched over the border into Salford, but I have come across quite a number of Christenings there for people living in Salford.
Similarly at St George in Hulme. There were a lot of Salford addresses in the registers. I think that Parish did cover part of Salford.
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Hi, heatherjulie
Thanks for the rapid response, Yes thats my family, my problem is why they are in manchester in 1911 when their home is in Salford, I can only think its linked to Cornelius's work as a Salford Constable but can find no event or emergency at that time which would involve movement of Police.
Thanks for your heip.
Geoff
Between 1910 and 1914 ( a time of rocketing Trade Union membership) there was a wave of industrial action and strikes across the country , it is known as "The Great Unrest". I believe Manchester, and probably Salford, was affected too.
Whether this is why Cornelius moved to a particular area is hard to say, but possibly
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I'm not sure if The parish of St Matthew stretched over the border into Salford, but I have come across quite a number of Christenings there for people living in Salford.
Similarly at St George in Hulme. There were a lot of Salford addresses in the registers. I think that Parish did cover part of Salford.
Go to http://maps.familysearch.org/ and put Hulme in the search box, and select Hulme [St George], Lancashire, the map shows the parish boundaries, and the surrounding parishes. Click on Map to show the present Google map.
Stan
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LizzieW
Hi, Your suggestion that it may be their prefered Church makes sense now I Know where Eltoft St is as its just outside Salford near Deangate and Regent Rd, and just a "cockstride" away from their home,
Thank You
gortonboy
Wonderful find! Im on Ancestry but I think I can access findmypast. at my Library
Thank You
heywood
Sorry! I meant Broughton Salford for their births not Mulgrave st, Nora St was Cornelius and Roses home and Cornelius was in South Africa at this time
Thank You
heatherjulie
Thanks, but no Timothy Devine in Rose Anns Family
ele002
Hi, these 2 Baptisms of John and Olive (my Grandmother) are the oniy connection my family have with St Matthews, is this a Catholic Church?. Cornelius Langshaws Family were from Bolton and most BMDs took place at St Georges or St Peters, Bolton, Rose Anns Father Thomas Devine may have been a Catholic but not a lot of info or BMDs for the Family
Thank You
sallyyorks
Hi, My original thoughts about why Cornelius used St Matthews are now fading given the short distance from the Church in Deansgate and his home in Lower Brougton Salford
Thank You
stanmapstone
Hi, Thanks for the link,
Thank You
Thank you to everyone for your help
Regards
Geoff
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No. Not catholic