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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: catfordcrooner on Saturday 13 December 14 15:02 GMT (UK)
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Martin moved to England and had a relationship/marriage to Harriet Barker and used the name Martin Taylor. He was an engineer on cross channel ferries and still used his original name on ship's registers. He appears to be linked with Calais. Any further information would be brilliant.
Jeff
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Hi Jeff
Not sure if you have this already, apologies if so..
1871 Census England London St James Westminster Berwick Street
RG10/140/36/15
2 Archer? Street
MOLCK
Martin Head Marr 34 Mariner Germany
Marie Wife Marr 36 Calais
Charles Fr?? Lodger Unmarr 30 Bricklayer No birthplace provided
In 1873 he appears on a Shipping List for the vessel "Parthia" which arrived in New York 13th Oct 1873. He is listed in the Steerage Passengers as being English not German, aged 38, an Engineer travelling with his wife Mary who is aged 32.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Thanks for the 1873 info - I didn't have that
Jeff
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You might want to have a look at this tree ? Molck
Tonning is in Schleswig Holstein ,Germany
this familytree is from Norstrand , Schleswig Holstein - sadly no Martin Molck ,but maybe keep the tree on record for future reference ...it is an extensive tree going back to 1612..
http://gw.geneanet.org/karlludwigp?lang=en&v=M%C3%96LCK&m=N
I will try and find out how far Tonning is to Norstrand
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the German spelling of that village is Norstredt and Tonning to Norstredt is 23 miles - so I would imagine the 1612 - c1835 Molck family in Norstedt are connected to the Tonning family of Molck...23 miles is nothing for the family to spread over 200 years ...lol
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Thanks for the tree
A great aunt of mine has been to Tonning and they have no records of a Martin being born there in the years around 1835
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Thanks for the tree
A great aunt of mine has been to Tonning and they have no records of a Martin being born there in the years around 1835
just added info to my original post - that familytree is from 23 miles away from Tonning ...
I wonder if Martin was an Anglicised name and he was born with a different christian name ?
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As it is that close, I think Nordstrand is a possibility. The family may have moved from Nordstrand to Tonning when Martin was young and he may not have realised that he was born in Nordstrand.
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Hi
I have looked around a bit for Martin Molck and can have found him "her" in Nordfriesland.
The Martin Molck in the 1871 census got married in Dover in 1865 to Marie Bremont born in Calais. He records his father as Peter Molk a mariner. He also says that he is a mariner. According to the 1871 census Mary was born in Calais.
1865 Marriage of Martin Molk and Mary Bremont
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN62-M17
The original is on FindMyPast. I have it if you want it.
There are many records of Martin Molck also spellt Mölck in the "UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956" on Ancestry. In many of the records he states his residence or nationality as Calais, but one from 1892 he writes what looks like Toning.
Tönning is in Nordfriesland, Schleswig-Holstein. His mother was born in Tönning and this Marten was born in 1835 in Vollerweik Parish which is about 10 miles away from Tönning Town.
It wasn't until I had finished this reply that I realized Marten here is a female. So I thought I would post this anyway. After searching the name Marten in databases the name only showed up as male. So I don't know what to think about that.... hopefully a mistake.
Peter's profession is recorded as a labourer.
Marten Mölk b.1835 - 1845 Census in Vollerweik
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid6506032
Tönning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%B6nning
Eiderstedt County: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiderstedt_%28Amt%29
Vollerweik: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vollerwiek
Worth looking into perhaps.
Cheers.
Ian
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Thanks Ian. Great stuff.
Jeff
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Hi
in 1860 Marten Mölk, 24, Müllergesell (Miller), lived in the household of his parents:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=10621#10621,268248
Regards
Holl
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Hi again!
a brother of Marten, Peter Christian, a Miller too, is ancestor of danish Mölck
http://www.koengsognearkiv.dk/side.asp?Id=83830
Hope it´s interesting...
Holl
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History of a seaman Martin Molk: (just coincidence?)
Martin Molk,
born England (?); Ordinary Seaman, CSS Alabama, 1862-3; transferred to CSS Tuscaloosa, June 21, 1863, as Boatswain's Mate; later served on CSS Rappahannock, 1864. [ORN 1, 2, 713; William Marvel; CSS Rappahannock Muster Roll.] (http://rblong.net/mo.html)
Built in England and manned by an English crew with Confederate officers, the CSS Alabama was the most successful and notorious Confederate raiding vessel of the Civil War. Between the summer of 1862 and the spring of 1864, the Alabama captured 65 vessels flying the U.S. flag and sank one Union warship.
On 25st of November 25 Martin Molk first shipped aboard the CSS Alabama as an ordinary seaman from the tender Agrippina (from London), at Blanquilla Island, Venezuela, when he was exchanged together with two other seamen, for crew members from the Alabama who had been discharged either through illness or some other sort of incapacity.
CSS Rappahannock, built in England in 1857, was placed in commission as a Confederate Navy ship. A machinery breakdown forced her to put into Calais, France, for repairs and she was detained there by the French Government throughout the rest of the Civil War. The remained crew, only 12 deck hands, was discharched at the end of march 1865.
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I have in my library a reprint of Two years on the Alabama written by Arthur Sinclair the 5th
Liuetenant all through its career as a Confederate raider. There is a complete list of the ships
crew. Martin Molk is listed as an ordinary seaman who came on the crew strength on the 25th
of November 1862. The note next to his name says that he transferred to the Tuscaloosa on
the 31st of January 1863.
Peter
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Thanks to everyone who has helped