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Title: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: Yogiyo1 on Wednesday 03 December 14 21:27 GMT (UK)
Please can anyone help me to decipher the following from this marriage certificate?
https://flic.kr/p/q1cBAn (link is to my other halves Flickr account)

The maiden name of James Sutherland's mother?
Everything about Elizabeth, Isabella Milne's mother?  ???

I have tried wildcard searches in the Scottish records, but without luck  :(

Thanks so much
Yogi
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 03 December 14 21:31 GMT (UK)
James Sutherland's mother's maiden name was Forbes.
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 03 December 14 21:32 GMT (UK)
Maiden surname of James Sutherland's mother is Forbes.

Elizabeth Thomson, formerly Milne, maiden name ?? possibly begins S.

So she was married three times, it seems.

Nell
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 03 December 14 21:33 GMT (UK)
Isabella's mother I think was Elizabeth Thomson, formerly Milne, m[aiden] s[urname] Thorn (dead).
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 03 December 14 21:35 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth would have been married only twice, would she not?
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 03 December 14 23:00 GMT (UK)
My correction at names of witnesses...John ADAM is incorrect, should be Catherine ADAM)

Relevant?
1851 Census   at 9 Charleston Road  Charleston
THOMSON Alexr  48yr  head  b. Aboyne    day labourer
THOMSON Alexr  23yr  head  b. Aboyne    day labourer
THOMSON Gabella  17yr daughter b. Aboyne  housekeeper
MILNE Isabella  11yr lodger  b. Aboyne   scholar
THOMSON Mary 1yr             b. Aboyne  daughter
CHALMERS Alexr  33yr lodger  b. Fintray  woodsawzer

IGI marriage
THOMSON Isabella m.  John ADAM 14 Jun 1856  Charlestown, Aboyne
(witnesses for MILNE - SUTHERLAND certificate are James HAY and Catherine ADAM)
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 04 December 14 13:05 GMT (UK)
This would fit possibly for Isabella with parents in 1841:

William Milne 25 agr. lab.
Elisabeth Milne 20
Isabel Milne 1
Address: Tamachalish, Aboyne and Glentannar

Monica
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 04 December 14 13:28 GMT (UK)
Wondering whether Elizabeth's maiden name could have been THAIN, going by this marriage/banns entry here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTN2-1MX

Trying to find a possible remarriage entry for Elizabeth to a Thomson. Thought Alexander Thomson Snr. with whom Isabel Milne shows as living with in 1851, from the entry posted above by wivenhoe, may have been a possibility but FreeCen show him as married not widowed.

Monica
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: anne_p on Thursday 04 December 14 13:30 GMT (UK)
You beat me to it Monica...we were posting the same info at the same time!
Isabella's mother's name was Elizabeth Thain
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 04 December 14 13:33 GMT (UK)
Good we agree, Anne  :)

A check of Isabel's death cert, if she died in in Scotland would also help to reconfirm the surname forElizabeth, Yogi. Struggling to find anything further for her so far.

Monica
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: anne_p on Thursday 04 December 14 13:38 GMT (UK)
Yes I am sure it says her maiden name was Thain, peviously Milne but must have remarried to become Elizabeth Thomson.
She was deceased at time of this 1859 marriage
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Thursday 04 December 14 14:07 GMT (UK)
Does this help

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: Little Nell on Thursday 04 December 14 21:08 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth would have been married only twice, would she not?

Oops, of course.  Quite right.

Nell
Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 05 December 14 08:10 GMT (UK)

IGI marriage
Isabella THOMSON m. John DAY
marriage: 14 June 1856 Charlestown, Aboyne, Aberdeen, Scotland

Census 1861 at Charlestown

THOMASON Alexander 59yrs b. Aboyne  head
THOMASON Mary 12yrs daughter b. Aboyne
ADAM John 35yrs b. Baltater son in law
ADAM Isabella 29yrs b. Aboyne  daughter
ADAM Margaret 3yrs  b. Aboyne grand daughter
ADAM Isabella 11/12//b. Aboyne
BEGG James 17 b. Aboyne   servant
BEGG Robert 12yrs b. Aboyne  servant

If this identifies the married Isabella, daughter of Alexander, and the same family in the 1851 census.......there is a public family on Ancestry with image of the marriage certificate, 1856.

Parents are Alexander THOMSON and Ann ELMSLIE....witnesses John ELMSLIE and Lewis THOMSON.

Census 1871   Charleston
THOMSON Alexander 68yrs b. Aboyne   HEAD
THOMSON Mary 22yrs b. Aboyne daughter
THOMSON Margaret  64yr  b. Aboyne  dressmaker  sister
ADAM Isabella 10yr b. Aboyne   grand daughter

Title: Re: Deciphering detail on Scottish marriage certificate
Post by: Yogiyo1 on Saturday 06 December 14 15:58 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for your help everyone.

I will have a look through all the messages and see if I can get any further.
Kind regards
Yogi