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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: jillieh on Tuesday 02 December 14 22:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi
There are several trees on ancestry that have the following entry next to the 1823 death of THOMAS FAIRFULL/FAIRFOUL & that of his wife ANN LANDALE in 1827:
MI in Old Cathedral Burial Ground, St Andrews (West side).
As they all seem to have copied each other I cant find out who posted it first to ask where they found this information.
I have tried to find a downloadable transcription of the gravestones in St Andrews Cathedral Cemetery and I found those on the Scottish Monumental Transcriptions website. I purchased what I though were 3 lists - The Eastern Cemetery & The Western Cemetery disc 1 & 2. I was rather disappointed to find out via a bit of sleuthing and Google Street View that the 'Western Cemetery' was in Strathkiness not at the cathedral! The Eastern Cemetery is in The Pend, so is at the Cathedral, but seems to be recent burials.
Can anyone help me find this record?
Many thanks
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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=639786
Maybe you could do a request on find a grave, I don't see them here though but there are still about 30% of the graves not photographed
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Thanks whiteout7, I had a look there & scrolled through all the entries but nothing for Fairfouls or similar.
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Hi
There are several trees on ancestry that have the following entry next to the 1823 death of THOMAS FAIRFULL/FAIRFOUL & that of his wife ANN LANDALE in 1827:
MI in Old Cathedral Burial Ground, St Andrews (West side).
As they all seem to have copied each other I cant find out who posted it first to ask where they found this information.
I have tried to find a downloadable transcription of the gravestones in St Andrews Cathedral Cemetery and I found those on the Scottish Monumental Transcriptions website. I purchased what I though were 3 lists - The Eastern Cemetery & The Western Cemetery disc 1 & 2. I was rather disappointed to find out via a bit of sleuthing and Google Street View that the 'Western Cemetery' was in Strathkiness not at the cathedral! The Eastern Cemetery is in The Pend, so is at the Cathedral, but seems to be recent burials.
Can anyone help me find this record?
Many thanks
Sometimes good old paper holds the answer when computers let you down! I have a copy of the pre-1855 Monumental Inscriptions of East Fife published by the Scottish Genealogy Society in 1971. Despite the title, many of the inscriptions published in this volume are post-1855.
Here is the one you want, in the section for St. Andrews Cathedral burials, no.414 in the published list. All the entries are in abbreviated form. This one reads:
(west side) Thos Fairfoull 25.7.1823 76, ? Ann Landel 27.11.1827 67, (east side); by Ann F., fa Jas F. 8.5.1850 58, mo Elspeth Elder 23.2.1852 60, w of Lawrence Marrie 26.2.1872 40; Mary Ramsay Fairfoul 4.4.1947.
"fa" is father and "mo" mother. I think the ? above means the transcribers couldn't read the word on the stone, but it is presumably "wife" or "spouse".
If any of these names or dates differ from the information you have already, remember that the transcribers, despite their sterling work, often carried out in bad weather conditions, sometimes misread letters or numbers.
Harry
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Thank you so much Harry - that is exactly what I was trying to find!
Its a long story I wont bore you with, but it ties together 3 generations and confirms I am following the correct branch of Fairfouls.
Many thanks
Jillie
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I'm glad it was useful info. There are other Fairfoul and Landale MI entries in that graveyard in the book I mentioned.
Harry
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Any info you have on the Fairfouls and Landales would be extremely useful if its not a bother.
Many thanks
Jillie
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Any info you have on the Fairfouls and Landales would be extremely useful if its not a bother.
Many thanks
Jillie
no.285 (small, next 284) Wm Melville 29.12.1851 73, w Jean Fairfoul 13.7.1849, 65, by s in law John Spence (anchor)
no.620 (grey granite next 278) Chas Fairfull, w Margaret Black 18.9.1899 87; John A. F. 21/12.1926 77, w Agnes Stirling Hall 26.9.1918 70; Jas S.P. Low 22.10.1935 53, w Margt. I. Fairfull 30.12.1959 74 (see 618)
no.917 (coped, latin) John Brydie dean of guild 31.7.1637 74, w Margt Fairfull, .8.1637, 68; I B MF
(shield, parted per pale, dexter, on a bend sinister couped, three mullets; sinister, three birds displayed? on a chief? [then there's a reference to various reference books]
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no.391 Robt Duncan baker here 6.12.1859 (8)2, w Margt Walker 13.10.1813 35, 2w Christina Landale 19.3.1877 97, three chn inf, chn And d Indiana, USA, Julia 14.4.1840 22, John 29.10.1840 19, Robt 20.1.1858 38, Christina 8.9.1859 38, Alex 18.7.1884 68, Jas 5.10.1898 74.
no.537 (marble, next 536) Robt Landale of Grange 26.12.1849 78, w Euphemia Duncan 29.8.1833 (5)6, da Eliz 14.11.1857 36 (w of Robt Tullis farmer Wester Balrymonth 29.7.1873 64, s John Edie T. 30.8.1886 34.
no.615 (marble tablet in wall) John Landale esq of Ardit, w Euphemia Bethune .3.1780, 91, 2s Geo. .2.1788 "a young man" etc., by J.A. 1783 (latin, faint)
to be continued … there are more Landales/Landels!
Harry
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Thank you again - this is great - maybe I should try & find this book!
Jillie
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Thank you again - this is great - maybe I should try & find this book!
Jillie
It should be available here -
http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/Shop.aspx
I'll try to send more MIs later but today is going to be a disrupted day as we have workmen coming in to replace all our radiators so each room in the house will eventually become a no-go area!
Harry
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no.743 [it's a very long one, but mentions] Ann Hall d Viewbank House 13.2.1904 63, (wid of James Landale).
now the spelling Landel -
no.132 Jas Wallace 18.9.1826 79, w Cath Landel 4.4.1837, s Geo 25.12.1848 66, s David d Stravithie Cotton 19.5.1821 23, s Jas 3.7.1821 28 both after long illness, by da Jean. [Cotton means a "cot-toun", a small farm with cottages for the "cotters" or crofters].
no.536 Thos Landel 16.(1).1820 8(0), w Jean Fortune.
Your ancestors couldn't have a more romantic setting for their last resting-place. In its heyday St. Andrews Cathedral, now in ruins, was the biggest church in Scotland, built along the same lines as Durham Cathedral. It sits on a headland looking out to sea. The 19th c. artist Sam Bough did some atmospheric paintings of the cathedral ruins, e.g.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/off-st-andrews-209829
Harry
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Hi Harry
Many thanks for your time & the information & the links. There are some interesting looking publications on that site.
Regards
Jillie
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So much information is available online these days, it makes a nice change to be able to help somebody by quoting from a printed book.
Here are some more images of the cathedral and its precincts for you.
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/standrews/cathedral/
Harry
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Jillie , I have photo,s of some of the headstones your asking after I,ll add them in the morning. I also have Fairfull,s from St Andrews but don,t know if there is a connection. Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty
That would be great - thank you.
Our Fairfoul/Fairfulls may well be connected as I see you also list PULLARS too - so we must connect somewhere!
Jillie
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St Andrews Graves
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Thanks for the photo Kirsty.
I was really pleased to be given the information regarding the MI for Thomas Fairfoul & Ann Landale as I was getting very confused. I had been pretty sure I had these as the right parents for 'my' James Fairfoul until I found an entry in the St Andrews Deeds on the Fife FHS page that said the eldest (surviving) son of Thomas & Ann was a JOHN. The baptism & burials show that James was older than John so if John was the eldest then James must have died (& therefore couldn't be 'my' James)!
Which branch of Fairfouls are you following?
Jillie
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St Andrews Graves
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St Andrews Graves
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St Andrews Graves
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St Andrews Graves
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St Andrews Graves
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Thanks for all the photos Kirsty!
west side) Thos Fairfoull 25.7.1823 76, ? Ann Landel 27.11.1827 67, (east side); by Ann F., fa Jas F. 8.5.1850 58, mo Elspeth Elder 23.2.1852 60, w of Lawrence Marrie 26.2.1872 40; Mary Ramsay Fairfoul 4.4.1947.
I didn't realise that this quote involved 3 grave stones - I thought it was all on one & therefore tied together Thomas Fairfoul & James Fairfoul. As they are quite separate I'm back to square one!
Jillie