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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: JJJ2 on Sunday 30 November 14 16:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi:
I have a Christian JUFFS, (not sure about the spelling- JEFFS/JIFFS/JUFFE) married Thomas LAY 7th September 1774, in Eynsham.
I am trying to find her baptismal record and her parents names. I am assuming she was born, in the 1740-1755 time period, possibly in Eynsham. Her first child Hannah was born in Combe in 1775.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
JJJ2
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Hi
You may know this but do not say so it may be of use.
In the transcribed PR's for Eynsham there are no JUFFS (spelling variants looked at as well) in baptism, burials and marriages.
So she most likely arrived and then departed as the only one.
I will have a look at Coombe - perhaps she had her first baby at her Mum's - quite usual.
Hope this helps in some small way
NDRFT
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MMM interesting - nothing in Coombe either.
Do you know what, I reckon I would ask under perhaps a new post on here for some kind soul who is going to St Lukes, Oxford to look at the actual PR for the marriage to check the transcription of her whole name.
To me JUFFS is unusual but so too is her first name.
A close examination of the original PR may be the quickest way to be certain about her last and indeed her first name and then resume the quest for who she was -- just an idea for you to consider?
NDRFT
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Hi JJJ2 :) and NDRFT ;)
Here's a funny thing - the OFHS Marriage Index and Phillimore's both have this marriage exactly as quoted.
They also both have a Catherine/Catharine JUFFS marrying Thomas DIPPER in Eynsham on 20 August 1786 - further evidence of this family in the parish :-\
(Btw, there are 14 Christian/Christiana brides among the 'J' surnames in the Index, so it's not unique.)
Going now before I cause any more confusion ;D
Carol
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Hi Carol
Yes I saw that in the OFHS Marr Index and indeed the marriage is in the transcribed PR's CD for Eynsham' s St Leonard Church which I have on the other screen now.
I can also see the other marriage to of a Catherine Thomas Dipper in 1786. So if that is the same person then ONE of the 2 first names is most likely wrong but also why in the 2nd marriage if it is the same woman did she use her 'maiden' name again? So many questions
There are no baptisms for that last name nor burials in the PR's so it does not look like she originated from Eynsham.
I agree her first name is not unique.
So all in all I just think it may be worth a request for a look at the original PR's for confirmation and to avoid causing more confusion?
Nigel
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Just to "muddy the waters" a bit more :-\
My dIL has a lot of Jeffs/Juffs in her tree they were travellers from the Noke area but travelled aross Berkshire/Dorset/Hampshire and Wiltshire
Kim
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JJJ2
The other place to go and ask for a look up is of course the Oxfordshire Family History Society. They offer a search service for a very small and reasonable fee. They also have a partially (i believe) completed baptism index for the county and from within that there may well be a clue about who Christian / Catherine was and where she came from?
NDRFT
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Hi Kim
Travelers - aghhhhhh that doesn't bode well for JJJ2
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Nigel, I wasn't suggesting that Christian and Catherine were the same person, just that they might be related :D
You're right, this does need someone to look at the original record rather than a transcript.
Carol (now terminally confused :P)
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Thanks to all posters and your contributions and suggestions. I will try OXFHS they are always very helpful.
Christian Juffs is the wife of Thomas Lay who died in 1820. He left a will and mentions a Thomas Jiffs/Jeffs/Juffs in the will has having land in Freeland.
I did find some other Juffs:
On Ancestry there is a Thomas Juffs bap 21 Oct 1750 Eynsham, parents Thomas and Elizabeth.
On Family search there is a Mary Juff bap 21 Dec 1755 Culham and John Juff bap 20 Dec 1753 Culham, parents listed as Thomas, no wife mentioned.
On Family search Martha Juff bap 19 Jan 1751 Culham, parents Thomas and Maria.
Also found on ancestry
Thomas Juffs married Mary Moody 1784 ,Ox
Thomas Dipper married Catherine Juffs 1786 Ox (father is Thomas Jeffs , hisWill dated 1805,Eynsham, mentions Catherine Dipper as sole heir)
George Juffs married Ann Bates, Edgcott
So lots to search and thank you.
JJJ2
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JJJ2
I have been looking at other PR's around Oxfordshire and whilst not loads there are some JUFFS and I am sure some are yours - but that's all speculative until it is identified who your Christian is.
Again looking at the transcribed Eynsham PR's the last name for the 1750 baptism you refer to - upon magnification it actually appears to be JUPPS so that may make it worse. Detailed examination of the indexing appears to show that the actual baptism for that Thomas was indexed in the transcribing as JUDGE - so a definite need to examine the actual PR for resolution to that!!
The fact that it may be shown else where could be an optimistic assumption rather than a well researched fact?
Hope this all helps
NDRFT
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NDRFT
Once again thanks for your help. As the politicians say, I shall remain cautiously optimistic, that I will find Christian's information.
JJJ2
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There is only one Christian J*FFS in the Oxfordshire Family History Society search suite, and she is Christian JEFFS, baptised in Hanborough (a parish bordering Eynsham) on 27 June 1756, the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth.
I have not managed to find a marriage record for Thomas and Elizabeth JEFFS. The couple did have six other children baptised in Hanborough:
Mary: baptised 19 March 1758
Richard: baptised 11 November 1759
Elizabeth: baptised 17 January 1762
Katharine: baptised 1 April 1764
Charlotte: baptised 24 August 1766
Katharine: baptised 11 April 1768
Also, there is a baptism in Eynsham on 21 October 1750 for Thomas JUFFS, the son of Thomas and Elizabeth. It seems likely that this is the same family.
I found a couple of further mentions of Thomas JEFFS. Thomas JEFFS from Ensham [Eynsham] was buried in Hanborough on 5 August 1804, aged 76. And on 11 May 1779 Thomas JEFFS a widower from Eynsham married Mary HITCHINS a spinster otp at Oxford St Cross.
Hope this helps!
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Simonp17:
Thank you. There is certainly a lot of info to research. I appreciate your help. And the other info I have is definitely in this Hanborough, Eynsham location.
JJJ2