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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Esscurve on Sunday 23 November 14 19:13 GMT (UK)
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I have one of those annoying holes in my research and I hope someone can help.
I know a lot about my GGG Grandfather Thomas Fawcett, born to William and Ann in 1804 in London.
Marriage to Mary Lambert in 1824 in Panfield Essex. The births of his children, and his John James Alice and Alfred all in the East End of London, and his Bankruptcy in 1829. But I have nothing on his death.
Last Son Alfred George was born in 1836. Wife Mary is in Bocking with children in 1841 census described as Independent, but no Thomas. 1851 census Mary back in London and described as Widow. At daughetr Alices Wedding in 1853 described Father as Late Thomas.
So somewhere between 1836 and probably 1841 there may be a death, but I cant find one with any tie back to the family or really any of right sort of age. I assume either London or Essex.
Can you help please? Does this family connect to yours? - better still please get in contact.
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Have you discounted the death in 1842 age 41? Age is a little out but not too far.
Burial in Southwark. Abode Union Street and that person should be about in 1841 be he yours or not perhaps the 1841 would rule him out but I can't see him.
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Thanks. I have that as a possibility. I am doubtful as I have no records of him or family including going back 2 further generations ever being south of the river. As I said nothing to connect.
I should have mentioned no sign of him in 1841 census. However for all I know he could have gone anywhere else too.
I dont think the 'institutions' named people in their walls in 1841 did they? Could he have been in, say a debtors prison?
However I think I am looking for a death 1836 to 41 more likely.
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Hi,
There are 2 other deaths:-
Deaths Dec Q 1839
Fawcett Thomas St Luke 2 223
Deaths Mar Q 1841
FAWCETT Thomas Bethnal Gn. 2 26
1841 census was taken JUNE
Spendlove
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Yes Thanks, got those as possibles. And 1837 Rotherhithe (though other side of river again).
I was hoping someone may have something not in the usual records.
1836/7 not in the BMDs anyway, so even if I bought all 4 death certs no saying he is one of them. Equally I dont know he is not a death in Ripon or Ashton.
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Judging by your post, would I be right in assuming Alice was the first of Thomas' children to marry? Otherwise, it might pay to trace the other children's marriages, to see if he was listed as deceased. The wife being listed as "independent", rather than widowed is interesting. Possibly can't rule out Thomas was still alive in 1841.
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Yes she was first to marry. First son John didnt marry, James T married 1857, no mention of father being deceased, Alfred George married 1866 noted as deceased.
I have always assumed Independent meant of independent means or her personal status?
I also have a confusing transcript of a letter between the elder sons, which incidently I am convinced is transcribed wrongly, but written April 1841 saying "I suppose you know that mother is to leave " and that he is going back to London with her. I dont think this means leave Thomas, but leave Marys family home in Essex where they were. Yet in (June) 1841 census they are back in Essex nearby. But back in London 1851. Many more confusions in that letter but I have to accept that it was written by a 13 year old.
Confusion reigns.
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Seems it is not so much that the death is "missing" (as per title), more that there are a few possibles, any or none of which may be the right one.
I cant see how you will progress without starting to rule out (or in) those possibles. If one of them is the right one, then problem solved!
Have you looked for Wills - to rule out or in any of the deaths and thus narrow the possibilities?
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What was their address when last child born in 1836? One wonders if that is where they were when Thomas died. The letter in 1841 referring to mother having to leave the family home (after his death) and therefore going back to her family in 1841, but in time returning to London, as older sons have established jobs and can support her, and younger son settled in apprenticeship in Essex.
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Sorry I explained that badly. It sounded right as it left my brain.
Mary was at her ancestral Lambert home with her brothers when the letter was written.
As you say though he is probably dead then.
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Seems it is not so much that the death is "missing" (as per title), more that there are a few possibles, any or none of which may be the right one.
I cant see how you will progress without starting to rule out (or in) those possibles. If one of them is the right one, then problem solved!
Have you looked for Wills - to rule out or in any of the deaths and thus narrow the possibilities?
I think you are right. No saying any are right though.
Have found no will either.