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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Doire on Wednesday 19 November 14 21:55 GMT (UK)
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Would someone please look-up a Charles Pollock m Catherine McKirgan in the 1871/81/91 census for Paisley. I know Charles died in 1895 in Paisley South Workhouse. Catherine was already dead by then.
Also I am looking for Sarah Pollock Walton. That is all I know about her. Her maiden name was Pollock (not the same as the Pollock above) so I am assuming she married someone named Walton. Again she was in the Paisley/Renfrewshire area around late 1800's, 1890-1900. I think she was originally from Ireland.
Thank you for any help you can give.
D.
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Do you know when Charles was born?
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Possible 1871 Renfrewshire entry - can you confirm?
7 Back Sand Holes Road Front - all b Ireland except Catherine jnr
Charles Pollock 41
Catherine 27
Mary 8
Catherine 2 b Renfrewshire
Abbey Burgh ED 30 Page 15 Line 21
Also I am looking for Sarah Pollock Walton. That is all I know about her
You must have more info than just her name. Where did you get her name from? What is her connection to you?
so I am assuming she married someone named Walton.
Have you checked Scotlands People for a Pollock/Walton marriage?
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Is this the family
1871:
7 Back Sand Holes, Front Road, Paisley
Charles Pollock 41 Ag Labourer B Ireland
Cathrine Pollock 27 Wife B Ireland
Mary Pollock 8 Dau B Ireland
Cathrn Pollock 2 Dau B Paisley
1881
132 Inkerman, Paisley
Charles Pollock 48 Pit Labourer. Born Antrim
Catherine Pollock 38 Wife B Antrim
Mary Pollock 17
Catherine Pollock 12
Charles Pollock 1 Mos Son B Paisley
Thomas Neil 6 Adopted son
1891
6 West Campbell St, Paisley
Charles Pollock 60
Catherine Pollock 50
Mary Pollock 26
Catherine Pollock 21
Charles Pollock 10
EDIT:
Catherine Pollock born 13 Dec 1868 Abbey, Paisley
Parents: Charles Pollock and Catherine McKERRIGAN
Also: Births of children who do not appear on any census and presumably died in infancy
Father's name Charles. Mother's last name has variants of McKerrigan/McKergan/McCargan
Martha Ann Pollock b 2 Oct 1865
Un named female child b 13 Dec 1866
John Pollock b 7 Jul 1871.
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Thank you all so much for the info.
Firstly according to Charles death cert he was born 1831.
All the other census info you have sent me are of the correct family. Thanks.
Now the story about Sarah Pollock Walton is that she had a child to Charles in 1870.... My gt grandmother Sarah Margaret Pollock, whose birth I cannot find in Ireland. So any help there would be great. (S M was married aged 15 in 1885 to James McSheffrey in Coleraine)
Sarah Pollock also had another child to a David King in 1864 .... Mary E. She went to America and married a Wm Kenfoyle. When Sarah Margaret's son emigrated to America he went to "his uncle Wm Kenfoyle" This is where I found Sarah Pollock Walton's name (on their Marriage cert) as being Mary E's mother although in Mary's birth cert she was just Sara Pollock. So in actual fact the two lots of Pollocks are connected by this illegitimate child Sarah Margaret but I also feel Charles and Sarah had some kind of family connection. They were both from the same wee clachan near Coleraine in N Ireland as was David King. All very complicated eh!
I have no access to Scotlands People so no I have not searched there.
Hope all this makes sense and if so any further help would be greatly appreciated.
Doire
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Doire,
Am I misunderstanding this?
"Sarah Pollock Walton is that she had a child to Charles in 1870.... My gt grandmother Sarah Margaret Pollock, whose birth I cannot find in Ireland. So any help there would be great. (S M was married aged 15 in 1885 to James McSheffrey in Coleraine)"
Do you mean Charles Pollock from your OP ?
If so, I can't see how he could be the father of a child born in Ireland in 1870
Census info infers that Charles Pollock moved from Ireland to Paisley betweeen 1863 and 1868.
Daughter Mary was born Ireland circa 1863 but his 2nd daughter Catherine was born in Paisley in 1868
This would suggest that he could not be the father of any child born in Ireland in 1870 unless the child was conceived in Scotland?
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Sarah Pollock also had another child to a David King in 1864 .... Mary E. She went to America and married a Wm Kenfoyle. When Sarah Margaret's son emigrated to America he went to "his uncle Wm Kenfoyle" This is where I found Sarah Pollock Walton's name (on their Marriage cert) as being Mary E's mother although in Mary's birth cert she was just Sara Pollock.
Link to old post to help with some background here hopefully....
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=623848.0
Monica :)
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I have no access to Scotlands People so no I have not searched there.
Doire, nobody has special access to SP. it is only available on a pay to view basis, not a subscription. You can also access it if you go to one of the main genealogy centres in Scotland.
You can register on SP for free. You can do some searches to see whether anything shows, for free once you have registered. It only costs money, via units you buy, to view search results or images from the search results.
Monica
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...Again she was in the Paisley/Renfrewshire area around late 1800's, 1890-1900. I think she was originally from Ireland.
What is the source for this? What do you have that places Sarah Pollock Walton in Scotland around this time? What happened to your ggrandmother Sarah Margaret after her young marriage to James McSheffrey. You mention elsewhere their son Robert heading off to his uncle in the US in 1923. Where did the McSheffrey family live after their 1885 marriage?
Hard for people to help without going step by step in their heads, Dorie. Sorry if I ask obvious questions that you have dealt with already. Just not seeing them here now on this post and for people to help further, with new relevant info, they need a summary of where you are at normally...
Monica
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Hi,
The reason for believing Sara Pollock Walton was in Scotland at that time is the info on her first daughter Mary E' marriage cert c1898/99 which stated she came from Scotland and so did her parents.
Doire
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However, with Mary E, you have her details of her birth in 1864 in Ireland - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRHP-SHJ :-\ Have you been able to find Mary E and her American family in the censuses from 1900 to see whether what she said on every census up to her death?
Just going to add some of the old posts here so that we can hopefully work through them and try and link the info, if that is OK:
2010 - www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=497848.0 ... start of your searches for Sarah M
2011 - www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=513894.0 ... trying to link to Scotland
2012 - www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=623848.0 ... in Macosquin, Derry, trying to link to possible sister for Sarah M
2012 - www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=613764.0 ...in the US
Doire, you have had such a long old complicated search for Sarah Margaret's origins :-\ Still not there though are you. So many clues in there, but so far they do not all connect do they.
Great discovery of Sarah M's son going off to the US in 1923 to his uncle, letting you connect back to a likely sister Mary.
Have to admit, I am not yet understanding where the surname WALTON comes in. I wouldn't necessarily say that Sarah Pollock married a Walton. She could have been illegitimate and then swapped around surnames for example. Can't see any further clues from 1911 for her (from the other post, as included by aghadowey here www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Bushmills_Road/589336 ) 1901 still has not been found I understand?
Robert James McSheffrey gave 10 James Street, Coleraine when he returned from the US in 1925.
Monica
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Just again as a summary here. From Shellyesq's info re Mary E. This was the possible/likely marriage she found for her in 1899:
6/07/1899 CH. OF THE ASCENSION KILFOILE WILLIAM F. (27) & WALTON MARY (20) WILL & ELIZABETH BUCKLEY KILFOILE/ DAVID KING & SARAH POLLOCK WALTON
http://files.usgwarchives.net/ny/rensselaer/churches/episcopal/tmarriage.txt
Census entries seem to be:
1900: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSL5-W4F
1910: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5SN-5XP
1920: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVSQ-D66
No children it seems from the marriage?
In 1900, she gives her birth year as Feb 1868, which would fit well with Feb 1864 from what you have already for her.
Monica
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Perhaps a check of Scotlands' 1871/1881/1891 censes for Sarah Pollock Walton, Mary E (daughter) and possibly Sarah Margaret (daughter) in the first two censes. Mary's father David King never married but went to Scotland and was there until at least 1915 so perhaps that is why Mary was able to say her parents were from Scotland. ????
Another tit bit, S M (McSheffrey) says in 1911 N Ireland censes that she was born in Co Londonderry.
Thanks everyone
Doire.
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Doire,
Can I ask something?
Sarah Margaret Pollock married James McSheffrey in 1885.
How do you know that she was 15yrs old at this time?
Did you work this back from the 1911 census or is there another record?
Was her father's name on her marriage cert?
If so, what was his occupation?
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I have been to the church in Macosquin where the marriage took place and I have seen the marriage register. On it it gave her age as 15. There was no fathers' name given. Sarah Margaret was widowed in 1914 and re-married in 1923. In this marriage cert she names her father as CHARLES. Just this past week I have received a copy of the death of the Charles I think is her father. He died in Paisley in 1895. Perhaps this is why she felt she could now name him in 1923.
D.
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I doubt very much the man named Charles Pollock, who died in Paisley in 1895 is her father.
The 1911 census states she was born in Co Derry, yet this Charles was known to be married and living in Paisley before her birth.
I can find no trace of Sarah, her sister Mary or their mother in Scotland on any census return.
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It is not at all uncommon for illegitimate children to make up a father's name for the marriage certificate.
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I have to agree with Aghadowey on this.
Look at the info that you have.
The birth of Mary E King shows her mother's name as Sarah Pollock.
You have already stated that Mary was Illegitimate therefore I would expect that Pollock was her maiden name.
Sarah Pollock seems to have had a 2nd illegitimate child, born circa 1870 named Sarah M Pollock.
I doubt very much if the child's father was also a Pollock.
I fully expect that Sarah M gave a false name for a father on her 2nd marriage in 1923.
I have more than one marriage in my own tree where an illegitimate child provided the name of her maternal grandfather, claiming him as her father
I can find no trace of any marriage between a Sara(h) Pollock and a Mr Walton, either in Scotland or Ireland
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Hi Anne
I'm afraid, with respect, I cannot agree with you that Sarah Margaret made up her fathers' name. Firstly I can't see why in her first marriage ( Aged 15) she would not acknowledge a father other than that his family were still alive in the area or perhaps even at that age she did not know his name.
Secondly where she acknowledges him as Charles in her second marriage she is aged 53 and he is probable dead.(even if the death, in 1895, of the person I THINK is the Charles is incorrect). Also she is not a child looking for a father at that stage.
Lastly in the Griffith valuation for the Townland of Ballyvennox in 1859 has a CHARLES renting ground from a Thomas King (the name of the father of David King, father of Sarah Margaret's older half sister).
One other thing is that Ballyvennox is very close to Adverness where S M lived aged 15.
This is all very complicated but for these reasons I am inclined to believe Sarah M's father was a Charles and not only that she said in her second marriage cert he was not only Charles but Charles Pollock.
Without further information I will probably never be absolutely sure but I do thank you for your interest and input.
Doire.
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Doire, could well be as you say, just likely though not connected to the Charles Pollock in Paisley as discussed. Think really this is the main point being made overall.
Monica