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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: oharaedith on Tuesday 18 November 14 21:37 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any information on Violet Olga Owen, born In Dublin, went to Castlewellan, around 1917 to work for Rev. John Dawker Rowan Kidd . Thank you.
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'Any information' is a bit too vague. Here's a few bits to start with but if you could explain what you are looking for we might be able to help answer your questions.
Will Extracts- www.proni.gov.uk
"Kidd John Dowker Rowan of the Rectory Castlewellan county Down clerk in Holy orders died 11 March 1941 Probate Belfast 23 October to Donald W. McDonald solicitor and Henry Nathaniel Joly B.D. clerk in Holy orders. Effects £13736 19s. 2d."
"Kidd, Olive Marion of The Rectory Castlewellan county Down widow died 3 February 1964 at Shanslieve Street Newcastle county Down Probate Belfast 23 December to Charles Ernest Basil Dowker Kidd schoolteacher and James Owen Wylie solicitor. Effects £4167 12s."
Mrs. Kidd was from Dublin-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Rosstrevor/Rostrevor/1237224
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Castlewellan/Castlewellan/235379
Kidd marriage in Dublin-
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4910ff0581178
Rev. Kidd- http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mlje&id=I59228
Looks like Violet Owen (age 11) is in a Church of Ireland orphanage in 1911- she probably got the job with the Kidd family through the orphanage when it was time for her to leave-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin/Female_Orphan_School__Circular_Road_North/13779
The Owen family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_City/Suffolk_Street/1304981
Wonder if this is Violet's father?
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639623677
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Baptisms
Violet
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4ffdd40214340
Mabel
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4065d50214278
Edith
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a34c950214102
Albert
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e2c84e0214033
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possible marriage for parents
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYHC-X3J
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYHC-3M9
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I think you have more info than you disclosed last post here Edith O'Hara
http://bbs.irishroots.net/WebX?14@75.LtJZbspo4Vt.0@.3b9e2a45/96
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A Margaret Lilian Irvine appears on same page as William Edward Owen for a marriage in Dublin South in April June 1907 might explain the Will posted by Aghadowey
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With regard to Albert Owen born 1891
Did he survive till 1920 cant locate him on census
http://irishgenealogyqueries.yuku.com/topic/553/Dublin-Metropolitan-Police-Plots-Glasnevin
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With regard to Albert Owen born 1891
Did he survive till 1920 cant locate him on census
http://irishgenealogyqueries.yuku.com/topic/553/Dublin-Metropolitan-Police-Plots-Glasnevin
Probably listed under just initials in 1911.
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Think i found him overseas military 1911
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Hmm i wonder
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/1bc5c00522105
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Nottingham_Street/1323455/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clontarf_West__Part_of/Addison_Road/19618/
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Albert ? acting as kin for this lady
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM7S-VS8
Alberts address
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM7S-VSD
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Robert Harvey Irvine family
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2fm=&name2l=&namefm=robert+harvey&namel=irvine&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100&diocese=&parish=¢ury=&decade=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&event=
related topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=474725.0
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Thank you for your help , the information you both gave me is correct. I have a lot of information on the Owen family. I just cant find Violet after she went to Co.Down. Her sister Edith Florence is my grandmother, I also do not know what happened to her after 1916 ( the year my mam was born.)..I know Edith was married in Canada to Henry Porter, and went back to Ireland to have my mam, and left her there. I'm still trying to find out what happened to Edith after that. Albert died in Ireland in 1920.,that is him in the police dept grave.
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Wish i had seen this earlier
http://alanlong.net/showmedia.php?mediaID=1692&medialinkID=3006
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I did say at the start that asking for 'any information' was too vague but at least now we know what sort of information you are hoping to find. Co. Down isn't really the focus here- probably best to ask a moderator to move this thread
to Ireland-General (just click on 'report to moderator)
So, really looking to find out what happened to 2 sisters-
Edith Florence Owen (4 Apr.1893 Dublin) m.(8 Oct.1913 Toronto) Henry Edward Porter
1) Henry Edward Porter (1914 Toronto)
2) Edith Porter (1916 Dublin)
Violet Olga Owen (11 Sept.1899 Dublin)- last sighting c1917 Co.Down?
Now, just starting to track down Edith but an online tree gives a 3rd Porter child-
Florence Porter (13 Mar.1918 Canada-9 Mar.2008 Canada)
I am struggling to find any of the Porters in 1921 Canadian census except for Henry:
Henry Edward Porter, age 31, born Ontario, married, bookkeeper.
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Going on the idea that it might be useful to trace Edith's travels across the Atlantic for clues I found some interesting things which I'm posting in chronological order to clarify a few things.
8 Oct.1913 married Henry Edward Porter in Toronto
16 Mar.1914 son Henry Edward Porter born Toronto (born 5 months after parents' marriage)
31 Oct.1914 "Missanabie" arrived Liverpool, England from Montreal (was Edith in Ireland from Oct.14-Dec.15?)
Edith F. Porter, 21, Henry Porter 7 months- 24 Addison Rd. Dublin
11 Dec.1915 "Missanabie" arrived St. John, N.B. from Liverpool, England (Edith must have been pregnant by now)
Edith F. Porter 22 married res. Toronto 3 yrs; Henry Ed Porter 2 born Toronto
9 Apr.1916 "Sicilian" arrived Liverpool, England from St. John, N.B. (Edith coming to have baby in Dublin)
Edith Porter 23, 11 Seville Place Dublin
12 May 1916 daughter Edith Porter born Dublin
and if this information is correct-
13 Mar.1918 daughter Florence Porter born Canada
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24 Addison road 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clontarf_West__Part_of/Addison_Road/19618/
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The Seville Place address may have something to do with Henry J Owen
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Seville_Place/18840/
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Edith went to Addison Road, which was her stepmother's address. I'm not sure about the Seville Place address, but yes that is her uncle at 107 Seville .
Edith married Henry Edward Porter and had a son Henry Jr in 1914.
Henry remarried ? and had a daughter Florence in 1918. and remarried ? again and had another daughter around 1942 I found lots of family here in Canada, and still keep in touch, but they knew nothing about my mam, or what happened to Edith Florence. Henry Sr. said she had died in Ireland. but I think she came back to Canada around 1920 but I'm not sure .
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Re-marriage implies that there should have been a divorce (can't see anything in Canada National Archives database) but if that child born in 1918 is not Edith's it might be that Henry became involved with someone else soon after Edith came to Dublin in 1916 to have her 2nd child.
Have you checked the online Irish civil registration index for Edith's possible death? (although if she had another partner any death could be registered under a different surname.
There are online records for passengers leaving the U.K. (up to 1960) and other databases for Canadian arrivals- have you checked both of these at all?
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The child born in 1918 is not Edith's daughter. The mother's name was Bird or Byrd not sure how it was spelt. I don't think Henry and her were officially married as cant find a cert .He also had another daughter born 1942 with another woman. I have met the daughter born in 1918 and still keep in touch with the daughter born 1942.
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Well, at least the child born 1918 can be eliminated as Edith's child but we aren't allowed to post details of living people so you'll need to remve the name on the youngest daughter in your earlier post (you can modify your own posts with 24 hours, after that a moderator has to make any changes).
Had a look for Edith leaving U.K without any luck so far. will keep looking...
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It is a few years ago but have you found out all you want? I came across some information while researching my own family. A Julia Owen of your family is married to one of my family. In 1920 Violet Owen had an address at The Rectory, Navan, Co. Meath. She was next-of-kin in the DMP log book for Albert Owen and made a declaration giving her address as 3 Claremount Rd., Sandymount, Dublin. Can attach images from logbook if you wish.