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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: pwh on Sunday 16 November 14 01:38 GMT (UK)
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I am beginning the task of putting my extensive research into the Rintel branch of my
Hart family into manuscript form. To that end I am trying to discover details of his life in
Sydney between 1844 and 1849. This is what I know already.
He arrived on the Lloyds on 14/7/1844 from London. He had been a reader at the Brighton
UK synagogue, and he established the first Jewish school in Australia. By May of 1848
he was a member of the Grand Lodge of the Independent Order of Oddfellows. He was
appointed as the Jewish minister in Melbourne on 29/1/1849. It is quite remarkable
that he did all this by the age of 26. So if anyone can fill in some of the gaps it would
be most appreciated. I would be particularly interested in any connection to the York
St Synagogue that opened three months before his arrival in Sydney.
Thanks
PWH
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As you already have several threads for the RINTEL & HART families I suggest you link them to this thread to save people duplicating information.
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He is a very interesting man. I have found references to him relating to the Levy, Pirani and Marks families in Melbourne. The CDV of him in colour is a very good image.
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stydgian
Yes he he certainly was a major figure in Australian Jewish history. You mentioned
links to the Levy, Pirani, and Marks families in Melbourne. The Levy connection would not
surprise me as His wife Elvina Hart was connected through her mother to the Levy family
in New York , where Elvina was born. Marks is an old Jewish name but where does Pirani
come In? I have never heard of them. Can you enlighten me ?
Thanks
Pwh
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Henry Cohen Pirani was the son of Benetto Cohen/Cohen Pirani and Reyna Abecassis. He arrived in Melbourne in the mid 1850's and was a merchant. He married Louisa Levy in Melbourne. His brother in law was Hyam Marks (Louisa's sister). His brother was James Cohen Pirani who married Abigail Davies.
H C Pirani was one of those responsible for establishing the Jewish School in Melbourne; supported the Sephardic Congregation and was a member of Lodge Felix.
He migrated to New Zealand with his family in the 1860's
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As you already have several threads for the RINTEL & HART families I suggest you link them to this thread to save people duplicating information.
May I again list some of those threads
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=645393.0 Jane HART.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=658881.0 Deborah HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=560614.0 Lazarus HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681337.0 HART family in YASS, NSW
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=609821.0 Mrs HART’s American Ancestors
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=563258.0 RINTEL/HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587785.0 HART & Co, Melbourne VIC
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=589504.0 HARTs in America
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=554647.0 HARTS in London (Lazarus & Rachel)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=534613.0 American HARTs who emigrated to Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=688474.0 William FORSTER (father of Anne Coxwell Forster)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=540845.0 Dinah HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=631016.0 Lazarus & Rachel HART buried as BIRMINGHAM
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579764.0 Rachel HART, lost.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=522637.0 Henri John HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=620813.0 Mrs RINTEL nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=637249.0 Rachel HART, burial location
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=634963.0 Mrs TARTAKOVAR nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=625445.0 Mrs COHEN nee RINTEL, re Mrs Rintel nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587638.0 HARTs of Vic, from India
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=629292.0 ALLEMAND and LUAZAR, re Henry Hyam HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681309.0 COXWELL re re FORSTER-HOYSTEAD and Wagga
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=588069.0 Lazarus and Rachel HART or BIRMINGHAM
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=606161.0 RINTEL and HART in Western Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520187.0 Mrs IRELAND nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519984.0 Ann Norah HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579708.0 RINTEL and HART in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579751.0 KEELING and a HART connection
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=489520.0 RINTEL and HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=419650.0 MORDECAI and HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=518883.0 GREEN and HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519965.0 Ann Norah GATES
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519575.0 BEATTIE and HART
Rabbi Moses RINTEL has a posthumous entry in the 1881 Cyclopaedia of Australasia.
ADD, (possibly duplicating this information, but for ease, here's some biographical material)
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/rintel-moses-4480
Obit Jewish Herald http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/149433760 21 May 1880
Cheers, JM
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Peter, perhaps you could modify your topic heading to read Rabbi Moses RINTEL in Sydney 1844-1849.
Cheers, JM
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The name Pirani comes from the town of Piran in Slovenia
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He arrived on the Lloyds on 14/7/1844 from London.
Without going back over the many threads, may I mention that the passengers on the LLOYDS, from London 15 March and Portsmouth 28 March 1844 include a Mr and Mrs Hart as well as a Mr Rintel.
No initials for either the HART or RINTEL passengers, so you would already have additional sources to confirm that the Mr Rintel listed in the following cutting was actually noted as Rabbi Moses RINTEL.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37122601 The Australian 15 Jul 1844
Your post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=563258.0 reply 10 suggests you are relying on the cutting I have linked above to establish his Sydney arrival. ???
Cheers, JM
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Majm
Your point about whether the Mr Rintel who arrived on the Lloyds in 1844 in Sydney
is Rabbi Moses Rintel is a valid one. But I think on the balance of what I know
I am correct in assuming that they are one and the same.
I will explain why I think so. I have a copy of the obituary of him in the Star
of Melbourne of 31/5/1880 .It says that he arrived in Sydney in 1844.
While it not an official document I would ask the question why would anyone
want to make up a story about such a prominent and well respected figure.
I have looked up websites of Australian Jewish organizations such as the Board
of Jewish Education in Sydney. They tell the same story. So I think I am on fairly
solid ground here. The fact there was a Mr and Mrs Hart I find interesting. This is
This is one of those times I wish the captain of the ship had given us a little more
information.
regards
Pwh
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To that end I am trying to discover details of his life in
Sydney between 1844 and 1849.......
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/browselist.html
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/search.html
I have not gone back over the many threads re Rabbi Moses RINTEL, so I may be duplicating information previously given.
The above links are for the National Library of Australia's online newspapers project that predates TROVE newspapers .... The Ferguson project particularly covers the 1840's.
I think that you will now need to contact our Global Moderator to seek to have your thread topic changed to better reflect the person and the location and the timeframe that this particular thread is addressing. (I think the first 24 hours after a post is made allows the poster time to adjust for oversights in a post). It may help you to advance this specific quest about the Rabbi. You can simply use the "Report to Moderator" button to make contact.
Peter, perhaps you could modify your topic heading to read Rabbi Moses RINTEL in Sydney 1844-1849.
Cheers, JM
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Hello,
My family Israel Glance and wife Rebecca (nee Abecassis) emigrated from Leeds to Melbourne in the 1860s. Rebecca was the daughter of Jacob Abecassis born in Mogador, (Essouirra) Morocco. His wife was Elizabeth Levi born in Hamburg. I am wondering if Henry Cohen Pirani who was the son of Benetto Cohen/Cohen Pirani and Reyna Abecassis was related to my ggrandmother Rebecca Glance (nee Abecassis) from London / Morocco ? With thanks for any information you can provide, Tim McCabe, Perth, Western Australia