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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: BrianM64 on Saturday 15 November 14 22:43 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction. I have a Moses Maddocks who was buried 12th July 1742. According to FindMyPast, he was buried in Nannerch, Flintshire but, Clwyd FHS has him buried in Hawarden. Wherever he was buried, he was from Breton, Flintshire.
I have come up against the proverbial 'brick wall' as to where - or when - he was born.
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http://freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/M.html Link no longer working.
Try-
https://web.archive.org/web/20131014161511/http://freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/M.html
maybe this site might help.
Index to PR`s.
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Hi, thankyou for your reply. I have been though that wonderfully helpful index previously. The earliest record I can find of Moses is of his marriage to Alicia Machilt in 1722. Then there are the baptisms of 7 children and finally Moses' burial in 1742 but, there doesn't seem any mention of him before his marriage. Maybe there were records available for the Flintshire or neighbouring areas that are not covered by Clwyd FHS or FindMyPast?
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You probably already know this,but Alicia Machill looks like the widow of George Machill(married 1718,died1722).She is given here,in effect,as nee Sivedale,though her original marriage record has quite a significant spelling variant
Hawarden Deeds/ 1477.
Title
Grant from John Peters of Bretton, co. Flint, yeoman, and Alice his wife, widow of Moses Maddocks of Bretton, yeoman ..., 1766, Nov. 12
Summary
Grant from John Peters of Bretton, co. Flint, yeoman, and Alice his wife, widow of Moses Maddocks of Bretton, yeoman, and sister and heiress of John Sivedale of Moore, co. Flint, yeoman, deceased, to Moses Maddocks of Bretton, yeoman, eldest son of the said Alice by her deceased husband, Moses Maddocks, of a cottage and a parcel of land called Crowfoot Head Land in Moore aforesaid. Witnesses: John Haddock; Richard Williamson.
Regards
Roger
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Roger, this is news indeed to me! I had not known Alice was previously married or indeed, that she married again after Moses had died. Is there a way I can get hold of a copy of the deed?
Regards
Brian Maddocks
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I'm not sure,you may have to contact The National Library of Wales.As a slight aside,if you go to the NLW site full catalogue and use the search term "Moses Maddocks"(including quotation marks) you will get a few more references.They may not tell you anything new,but you never know.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks Roger, I will certinly do that. :)
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Reasonable candidates for Alice's parents,given the same spelling variant,Sybdell,might be John and Elizabeth buried 1713/1714.In the Nannerch register he is given as of "Moor" as per the NLW deed.
Regards
Roger
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There also appears to be quite a few entries for the variant Sybdale in Nannerch and Hawarden.
Regards
Roger
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John Peters : 1776.
Hawarden Probate Records, 1554-1858 (WlAbNL)3650007
Details Peters, John, Bretton, Hawarden, Flint, Husbandman
Also found in the Wills, in the National Library of Wales.
sadly Hawarden is the only area where you cannot view the original image
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Unfortunately,the same applies to the will of Moses Maddock(sic),1742, and Moses Maddock(sic),1816.
Regards
Roger
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Hi,
John Peters' Will abstract:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28760-17824-0?cc=1876640&wc=M6KJ-2WG:174219001,174231301
I wonder if they mistranscribed the date of the Will!! Probate is 1776, but date of Will is 1670!! Possible (if this particular John died in 1670 and nobody had a reason to Probate the Will until 1776). Date of inventory is 1773. Interesting :)
Looks like his wife was Anne when he died.
This Thomas Sybdale of Moor died in 1718 and has a daughter Alice, but no mention of a son John (and we know your Alice has a brother John). So this might not be her. Also, is the same year that your Alice married for the first time. But, this record still might be worth following up ???
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28760-17540-51?cc=1876640&wc=M6KJ-2WG:174219001,174231301
Moses Maddock 1742
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28760-5613-34?cc=1876640&wc=M6KJ-VWL:174219001,174221501
Moses Maddox 1816 -- same record set as above, but go to IMG 223 and 224
RK :)
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That's very interesting...... Moses was buried 12 July 1742. The Codicil......which I always thought was an attachment or change to a will made (in this case, by Moses) before the person's death....... is dated 12 August 1742. The probate/grant is dated 11 January 1742-43. Moses' wife is given as Alice Peters but, she didn't marry John Peters until 24 September 1743!
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Sorry, Hi RunKitty and, thank you for your very interesting help. x
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This deed,I think,possibly suggests that Alice's parents were John and Mary(unless her father married more than once?),given the land involved being the same as the 1766 deed.There is a burial record for Maria Sievedale(sic)"of Moore" in 1712,but they may not be the same person.
Hawarden Deeds/ 780.
Title
Grant from John Sivedale of Moore in the parish of Hawarden, co. Flint, yeoman, (in consideration of a marriage, lately ..., 1706, Nov. 21.
Summary
Grant from John Sivedale of Moore in the parish of Hawarden, co. Flint, yeoman, (in consideration of a marriage, lately solemnized, between him and his wife, Mary, and of her portion of £30,) to John Weigh of Moore aforesaid, of a cottage and a parcel of land called Crowfootheadland in Moore aforesaid, on trust for the said John Sivedale for his life, with remainder to his wife, Mary, for her life, with remainder to their first and other sons successively in tail, with remainders over. Witnesses: Richard Wilson; Tho. Hallmarke; John Lovall; Tho. Heatley.
Regards
Roger
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After many years searching, I think I have found Moses Maddocks' baptism!
The transcriptions of all the major sites have a Moses Wheelwright baptised in Northrop, 2nd Feb 1701. His father is given as Joannis Maddocks and mother Sara. They were from Soughton.
Looking at the actual register image, the line reads:
"Soughton, Moses fil Joannis Maddocks Wheelwright et Sara Baptised February 2nd 1701."
Looking at the page as a whole, the fathers' occupations follows their name, so It looks to me as though this is my Moses Maddocks. What do you guys think?
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Thats right. 🙂
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@Wilcoxon, Thankyou for your endorsement. :)
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Joannis will be the Latin for John, but I'm sure you know that.
The fact he is a wheelwright is a great help.
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Yes, Northop parish records seem to be more detailed than some, which brings me to my next conundrum. I have found a burial record for what I am thinking may be Moses' father, Joannis, which you rightly say is Latin for John. This record from Hawarden, shows a Johannes Maddocks, buried 22nd April 1718. My query is what the last word is on the line (see attached snip). I'm at a loss.
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To me the word looks to read peregrin(y)? :-\
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Could this be a possibility
Latin Peregrinus, is a name originally meaning "one from abroad", ie, a foreigner, traveller, or pilgrim
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Thankyou Ladyhawk, I think you may be right. I thought it might be a village in Hawarden Parish but, couldn't find a match. Your suggestion is a word I have not come across before, so I thank you so much for that and, John Maddocks would be deemed to be a 'foreigner', being from outside the Hawarden Parish, coming from Soughton in the parish of Northop. another piece of the puzzle falls in to place.