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I found my great grandparents were married at st Eugene's in Londonderry on 12/5/1875. Afterwards I found they had a son James born 4/24/1879 (lived on Harvey street then) and my grandfather born and baptized at st Eugene's on 10/3/1887. (Lived at 12 Rock Road then).
My great grandfather was listed as James Duffey on marriage certificate and great grandmother was Mary mcQuig. On theis sons birth records, they appear as duffy and Quigg.
That is all. I don't see them again in any census. Any ideas as to where to look? Are there school records out there? Where? What schools? Please help me someone
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Have you tried searching for the children on their own?
The parents may have been dead by 1901.
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It helps if you give us ALL the details you've found so far. For example, what was the name of the child born 1887?
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Other possible children-
Patrick Duffy born 13 Aug.1881 (mother- Quigg)
Mary Duffy born 27 Oct.1883 (mother- Quigg)
John Duffy born 3 Oct.1887 (mother- Quigg)
Are you sure your Duffy's stayed in Ireland after 1900?
PRONI, Belfast has a large collection of school registers but they are not online or indexed.
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Wow! That could be the siblings. my grandfather was john Duffy born in Londonderry on 10/4/1887. I only know of his older brother James that was born on 4/24/1879.
Mother was Mary quigg. When john was born, they lived on 12 Rock Road.
I know James was living in Glasgow in 1901 with his wife Esther and new baby boy john. He was 22. I don't know where to look for 13 year old john.
Where did you find the possible other siblings?
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The names & dates came from searching GRONI's databaste- at the moment they are just possibilities.
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Please some one help. I know the duffy family was in derry from 1875 to 1887. I found baptism records for all at st Eugene's cathedral. James duffy and Mary quigg had at least 4 children. James, Patrick, Mary and john. I found James living in scotland married with a new baby in 1901. Any ideas as to how to find the others?
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Hi
There are a lot of James Duffy's b Ireland on the Scottish 1901 so can you give us a bit more detail (ie) his birthyear and name of "wife" and new baby and which county he was living in
Why do you think this is your James Duffy if none of his other children are living with him?
EDIT - reading your other post - this apparently refers to a 22yr old James Duffy - not the father James which is how your post was interpreted
Can you also give the individual birthyears of each of the children you have named ?
Moderator comment , posts merged and edited.
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I know James was living in Glasgow in 1901 with his wife Esther and new baby boy john. He was 22. I don't know where to look for 13 year old john.
What other info do you have that pinpointed that 1901 entry as the correct James? Birthplace is just shown as Ireland.
Did you download a copy of James & Esther's marriage cert to confirm his parents names?
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James duffy sr was married to Mary quigg on 12/5/1875. I know they hada son James born on 4/24/1879.he married my grandmother and lived in glasgow, scotland. I found him living there on the1901 census. He was 22.his wife esther was 24 and they had their first born, my uncle john 6 months. James died in 1912 and my grandmother came to nyc with her brother in law john that was born on 10/3/1887. He married her in pa and they had one child, my father . John and James were both born in londonderry and I have baptismal papers on both that took place in st Eugene's. I found Patrick and Mary's baptismal records and civil birth record. They also list James duffy and Mary quigg as the parents. Their sponsors are the same sponsors for john so I feel pretty certain they are all family. Now are there more. Where did they go? I can,t even find john till he showed up on the ship manifest as Esther's bros in law. Any ideas?
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It's very confusing when you don't use proper puntuation and run everything together in one paragraph so I'm not sure if I've understood your last post correctly.
Do you mean that John came to U.S. with James' widow in 1912 and married in Pennsylvania? If that is the case then have you looked in Scottish 1901 and 1911 census to find John?
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So you are saying that your grandmother was Esther Duffy born 1877 Glasgow and when she was widowed in 1912 - she married her brother in law John Duffy who was 10yrs younger than her - is that correct?
There is an outgoing passenger list entry as follows for 23.11.1920 from Liverpool to Philadelphia- all surname Duffy. Is this the right family?
Esther 44 housewife (1876)
Elizabeth 14
Catherine 9
Esther 7
James 3
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There is a Scottish 1901 entry for a John Duffy aged 14 shown as the brother of a Catherine Cogans b 1871 Ireland
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8 Sept.1913 "Merion" arrived Philadelphia, Penna. from Liverpool, England-
John Duffy, 25, single, teamster, relative in U.K.- Uncle Tom Duffy Burnside Tce Coatbridge
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Esther Duffy, 38, wid. with children John (11), Elizabeth (7), Esther (5), Catherine (infant)- Tom Duffy as listed as cousin to all of them
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Thank you both CarolW and Aghadowery for your attention.
I will try to clarify my story.
First, let me say to CarolW that you do have the correct family. However, that was a later date. I have been told that my grandmother wanted to return to Scotland. Once there, it took her a few months to realize she made a mistake and wanted to return to the USA. (Grandpa was a good guy!)
My grandmother Esther Ferns was born in 1876 and was married to two brothers. The first husband was James Duffy b 4/24/1879 in Londonderry. At this time, I can only assume he and Esther were married in Glasgow, Scotland. I know James died there in 1912 but I don,t have documentation yet. They had children john, Elizabeth, Esther and Catherine. I have been told they also had an 11 year old daughter Mary that died within six months of James. Sadly enough, Esther's father John Ferns died in 1912 as well. she lost three love ones that year.
I have the ship passenger list for the Merion that left Liverpool, England on 1913. John Duffy b 10/3/1887 in Londonderry accompanied Esther Duffy and her four children. looking under a magnifying glass I could make out the words bros in law next to johns name.
John and Esther were married here in Pa, USA. My father James A Duffy b 6/10/1916 was their only child. john assumed the role of father to Esther's other 4 children.
To Aghadowery, my answer regarding Scotland's census. I could only find James, Esther and baby John in 1901 census. Scotland's 1911 census does not show on ancestry .com. Is there a site out there where I can find that census for free?
Thanks for any further help.
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Thank you. I had that passenger list already. That notation about Uncle Tom Duffy is confusing. It seems to me that Uncle Thomas Duffy had to be A brother to Johns father. (another crumb). BUT
How could Tom Duffy be a cousin to all unless Uncle Thomas lived with his son also named Thomas?
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The 1911 Scottish census is only available on Scotland's People website (pay per view).
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I am back. I now know my great grandparents lived in Derry , Ireland in 1887. GG was Mary McQuigg who dies in 1889. I found my GG James Duffy at his sons's (James also)wedding in 1900 Glasgow Scotland. I am trying to find where my GG James Duffy lived after the death of his wife in Derry, Ireland in 1889. Did he marry again? When did he die? Did he move to Scotland?
Not sure how to use the griffiths valuation. He lived at Skinners Alley Derry in 1883 and last known address was 12 Rock, Derry in 1887. I've also found the address of 55 bridge Street
Can anyone say what townland and parish that may be?
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Not sure how to use the griffiths valuation. He lived at Skinners Alley Derry in 1883 and last known address was 12 Rock, Derry in 1887. I've also found the address of 55 bridge Street
What you need to check is the Valuation Revision Books- all those addresses are in Derry (city). The books will give a rough idea of when a person might have moved to and from a property. However, I have exact adresses for relatives in Derry but they don't all show up in the books.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm
Type in Skinner and select Londonderry as the county then you'll see Skinner's Alley listed.
Bridge Street is Templemore Parish.
'Rock' brings up quite a few possibilities.
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Thank you so much Aghadowery! I am so close but I need more guidance.
I got all the way to the page that lists Skinners Alley and gives a link for different years. I chose 1884 - 1893. It took me to a list of Val12B/32/11A thru Val12B/32/11ZB.
I randomly picked Val12B/32/11B and found Londonderry, Skinners Alley. Page 160. What do I do with that info and will I find Skinners Alley in each of the other listings?
By the way, that particular book did not have page 160 in it.
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When you go to the book for 1884-1893 page 4 of the index says page 104- go forward until you see page 104 in the upper right corner of the page (page 124/182) and Skinner's Alley in there but no Duffy listed.
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I found my GG James Duffy living on the rock in Londonderry between 1885-1891. Is there a way to see who else was living there with him?
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No, the Valuations just list head of household.
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Hi Aghadowey, you have helped me this past year in finding my ancestors. I thank you so much. Now I have another request. My husband and I are coming to Ireland July,2016. We will be taking a cruise that begins in Dublin and ends in England. On July 18th, we will be docked in Belfast from 7 am till 8pm. How feasable would it be , time wise, to get to see my family plots in Derry and St Eugene's Catherdral where so many were married, baptized and buried? It would be great to stop in for additional genealogy help as well. Do you know of a reliable person that we can hire? At what cost? What is the most reasonable means of transportation? Also, do you think it would be wiser to come stay in Derry a day or two ahead of the cruise and then travel on to Dublin to begin it? I have so many questions and a limited budget.
Any advice you can give me is greatly appreciated.
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A few years ago a tourist landed at our door without any notice asking for help in tracing their family. They were on a cruise which docked in Belfast for the day, had arranged to hire a driver ahead of time (at great expense), who had taken them to Derry to see the church, place their family lived and I think City Cemetery. Unfortunately we got them on the journey back to Belfast and had to tell them there were several errors in their information as well as many of the entertaining 'historical facts' that the Belfast driver told them were completely biased and mostly outright lies.
Derry itself is fairly compact. I don't think there are burials at St. Eugene's so your relatives may have been buried at the City Cemetery. The 18th of July is a Sunday, I think, in which case the cemetery office is likely to be closed.
http://www.steugenescathedral.com/storyofsteugenes.htm
http://www.derrycity.gov.uk/Cemeteries/City-Cemetery-Guide
Now, public transport-
By car the quickest route is at least 90 minutes.
Train is possibly a long slow journey- especially on a Sunday when there are fewer trains.
Bus service is quite good (every 1/2 hour during the week at least) but Sunday not a good day to travel- depending on rail works, etc.
http://www.translink.co.uk/
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All is not lost! 2016 will be a leap year, so I believe 18 July will fall on a Monday.
Carol
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Ah, that is good news (forgot that calendar on phone starts the week with Monday not Sunday)