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Iam researching THOMAS RICHARDS from llanegwad who married ANNE RICHARDS from llanllawdog in 1818 David Richards was witness
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did they have children?
It will help us to find him.
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My thoughts are that they are the parents of Rachel Richards born 1820 llanllawdog .According to info I have Thomas birth was 1793 and ANN was 1792.i need confirmation that they are in fact Rachels parents
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Did Rachel marry Moses Gelly/Gealy in 1839?
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Did Rachel marry Moses Gelly/Gealy in 1839?
2 march 1839 JOHN WEBBER married RACHEL RICHARDS john was puddler quarry row Merthyr Tydfil his father was JOHN WEBBER brickman
RACHEL RICHARDS father was THOMAS RICHARDS occupation FILLER ,looking for them on 1841 census if you could help
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Hi going on your year of birth for Rachel, is this not her in 1841 age at variance though?
John Webber 30
Rachael 28
Morgan 10
John 8
Jane 1
Residing at Gellideg Bridge, Merthyr Tydfil
Census ref HO107/1415/ 4/30 / 22
Keyboard86
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the 1851 census of Glamorgan has 2 John & Rachel Webber families. One Rachel is 31, born Llanegwad & is in Cadoxton, the other Rachel is 38 & is in Merthyr and would appear to be the one from the marriage cert you have.
1841 Gellideg Bridge, Merthyr Tydfil HO107/1415/4 folio 30 pg 22
John Webber 30 Beer House Kr
Rachael 28
John 8
Jane 1
Esther Jones 17 Female servant
all born in county except Esther. The gap between John & Jane suggests this was a second marriage for John.
1851 census for this family shows Rachel's place of birth as Merthyr Tydfil.
the other family in Cadoxton
1851 Cadoxton HO107/2464 folio 321 pg 4
John Webber head mar 39 Railway labourer b. Glam, Llansamlet
Rachel wife 31 b. Glam, Llanegwad
Ann dau 10 b. Carms, St Peter
Thos. son 7 b. St Peter
John son 4 b. St Peter
Elizth dau 2 b. Cadoxton
Thos. Morgan visitor 19 Railway labourer b. St Peter
James Rainols? 50 Railway Labourer b. Neath
This family should be in Carmarthen in 1841 given the place of birth of Ann.
Which family are you researching? Which child are you descended from?
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red post - I'll post this to show 2 families.
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Hi the 1841 for other Rachel:-
John WABBER 30
Rachael 20
Ann 1
Residing at Old Priory, St Peter, Carmarthen
Census ref HO107/1387/ 2/41 / 4
Keyboard86
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on second thoughts, this could be the marriage for the John & Rachel Webber in Merthyr Tydfil in 1841
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JV3X-397
& this John's baptism with father William
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFH5-D15
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If the research by Osprey is correct re 1837 marriage, and this indeed is your family line then their is a baptism of a Rachel LOYD 20th April 1821 Bethesda Chapel ( Independent) Merthyr Tydfil Father William Mother Sarah
Keyboard86
EDIT no of course the Rachel with John in 1841 and married possibly 1837 was b c 1813 or am I wrong!
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Is this the 1841 family still in Merthyr?
1871
John Webber 62 collier & publican
Rachael Webber 58 b.Merthyr
William Webber 26
Elizth Webber 28
Edward Webber 19
Jane Jones 31
John Jones 4
James Jones 2
RG10; Piece: 5390; Folio: 12; Page: 17
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again in 1851
John Webber 41 collier
Rachael Webber 38
Morgan Webber 24
John Webber 18
Jane Webber 11
Elizabeth Webber 8
William Webber 6
Ann Webber 3
James Webber 2
all born Merthyr
HO107; Piece: 2458; Folio: 14; Page: 20
So not this family based on Rachel's age.
1861:
John Webber 52
Rachel Webber 48
Eliza Webber 19
William Webber 17
James Webber 12
Edward Webber 9
William Lloyd 75 lodger poss. Rachel's father.
RG9; Piece: 4050; Folio: 14; Page: 19
Hi the 1841 for other Rachel:-
John WABBER 30
Rachael 20
Ann 1
Residing at Old Priory, St Peter, Carmarthen
Census ref HO107/1387/ 2/41 / 4
Keyboard86
the other family in Cadoxton
1851 Cadoxton HO107/2464 folio 321 pg 4
John Webber head mar 39 Railway labourer b. Glam, Llansamlet
Rachel wife 31 b. Glam, Llanegwad
Ann dau 10 b. Carms, St Peter
Thos. son 7 b. St Peter
John son 4 b. St Peter
Elizth dau 2 b. Cadoxton
Thos. Morgan visitor 19 Railway labourer b. St Peter
James Rainols? 50 Railway Labourer b. Neath
This family should be in Carmarthen in 1841 given the place of birth of Ann.
Which family are you researching? Which child are you descended from?
These 2 must be them & the other John Webber married Rachel Lloyd.
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Thankyou for your efforts I tried the way you did and got confused because of requesting help about 15 years ago I was sent on the wrong road .I was convinced from the info I had been given was correct but realise another persons options must be considered.
Heres my tree from grandfather JOHN MATHEW HUGHES born 27 7 1885
parents were WILLIAM HUGHES birth 9 may 1852 Merthyr Tydfil spouse SARAH WEBBER birth 17 oct 1853 cadoxten juxta Neath.
SARAH WEBBERS parents were JOHN WEBBER birth 1818 llansamlet spouse RACHEL RICHARDS birth 1820 llanegwad her parents were THOMAS RICHARDS LLANEGWAD and RACHEL RICHARDS LLANLLAWDOG.can you decide which census is showing my family,
this is the line iam working on,
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It's this family;
1861
John Webber 45
Rachel Webber 38
Elisa Webber 10
Thomas Webber 15
John Webber 13
Sarah Webber 7
Ann Webber 3
Matthew Webber 1/12
RG9; Piece: 4086; Folio: 30; Page: 24;
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yours is he family in Carmarthen in 1841, reply 7, and Cadoxton in 1851, reply 6. The family in Merthyr Tydfil has different ages, places of birth, and occupation for head from your family.
1861 Millons Green, Neath RG9/4086 folio 30 pg 24
John Webber head mar 45 labourer b. Glam, Neath
Rachel wife 38 b. Carmarthen Town
Eliza dau 10 b. Neath
Thomas son 15 b. Carmarthen Town
John son 13 b. Carmarthen Town
Sarah dau 7 b. Neath
Ann dau 3 b. Neath
Matthew son 1 month b. Neath
red post - places of birth noted above
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Thankyou for your help I have sorted the family lines for SARAH WEBBER who married WILLIAM HUGHES 10 10 1870 ,Theres are a few discrepancies on various websites showing the wrong RICHARDS lines From RACHEL RICHARDS born llanegwad 1820.thats what caused the chaos in people just assuming.
My next request is as follows looking above WILLIAM HUGHES was born 9 may 1852 Merthyr Tydfil from my research ordering the certificates etc I have concluded that his parents were GEORGE HUGHES birth 1826 who married 16 ap 1849 SARAH WEBBER born 1828 Neath.
To confirm the parents of Sarah I have concluded her parents were MATHEW WEBBER who married MARGARET REYNOLDS on 8 5 1823,could someone help me confirm this as correct please
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I can see only 1 Sarah Webber b.1828 Neath & that's the one you have.
1841 Neath, Glamorgan
Mathew Webber 45
Margaret Webber 45
John Webber 15
Sarah Webber 13
Mathew Webber 11
William Webber 1
All you have to go on is Sarah's marriage which tells you her father's name.
To confirm who her mother is you would have to get William's birth cert. as he is the only one born after 1837.
As there's only 1 Sarah Webber born 1828 Neath on the census I'm sure you're right in your assumptions. I'm also sure the parents marriage is correct but if you want confirmation the birth cert. is the way to go.
Webber William Dec 1839 Neath 26 401
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Thankyou