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Title: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: Poodlz on Saturday 08 November 14 10:09 GMT (UK)
I am helping a friend start her family tree and I have found some info, but details in NZ seem to be limited.  Her family name is Binfield and her father was Robert Edward and I have found that he is the son of Richard Henry, Mother Agnes.  I don't seem to be able to find any census reports, etc. in the Uk.  As yet I have not been successful in finding when he came to NZ and his brother Richard Harold also came to NZ. We have more details of marriages, etc. in NZ, but it is the UK links we would like to find??  Any help would be appreciated!
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 08 November 14 10:17 GMT (UK)
You should be able to find them all very easily in the 1911 census in Folkestone
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 08 November 14 10:19 GMT (UK)
Richard Henry Binfield married Agnes Lee in Burnley,Lancashire 1893
www.freebmd.org.uk
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
ADDED
 baptism - parents Richard Henry and Agnes
Robert Edward baptised 14th feb 1900 Folkestone,Kent
Richard Harold b 1896 in Blackley,Manchester - in Folkestone in 1901 census

there is an Eva Binfield b 1894 Chorlton,Manchester - in Folkestone in 1901 census - she looks to be a sister ?
you need to look at the 1911 census in Elham,Folkestone as Shaun J has suggested
Agnes (Lee) Binfield is 41 born Manchester - so born 1869/1870.....

there is ONE Binfield in the Folkestone phone book
www.192.com  has their address - might be worth writing to them ??  might be a descendant ...do you know if all the family left for NZ or just Robert Edward Binfield and Richard Harold ?
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: vronlady on Saturday 08 November 14 10:42 GMT (UK)
Robert Edward Binfield

Baptism Date of 14 Feb 1900
Baptism twon Folkestone in Kent, England

 Richard Henry Binfield and Agnes Binfield   

FHL Film Number 1850120 Reference ID item 2 p 2
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: rolnora on Saturday 08 November 14 11:10 GMT (UK)
The 1901 census has the surname transcribed as Berfield

19 The Boyle, Folkstone, Kent
Richard H Berfield 31 Folkestone, Kent   Road Labourer
Agnes Berfield 38  Manchester
Eva Berfield 6  Manchester
Richard H Berfield 5  Manchester
Robert E Berfield 2  Folkestone, Kent 

RG13 Piece: 847 Folio 21 Page 34
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 08 November 14 11:40 GMT (UK)
a census has Richard Henry aged 41 b Folkestone
this baptism
record states Elham,Folkestone
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNTV-LRJ
now that we know the mother was Sarah
1862 marriage june qtr in Elham,Folkestone Richard Binfield to Sarah Milton

www.freebmd.org.uk
so Robert Edward Binfield grandparents were Richard Binfield and Sarah Milton
your friend may find this site of interest
http://www.elham.co.uk/visit/
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 08 November 14 12:28 GMT (UK)
Richard Harold Binfield was in the merchant navy. Link to CR10 (with photo) on FindMyPast:   http://tinyurl.com/nuykpe9
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: Poodlz on Saturday 08 November 14 18:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your help, that gives us a good starting point.  I will come back if we need more info.
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: Poodlz on Monday 20 July 15 09:23 BST (UK)
Further to my posts re Richard Henry Binfield, we have now and verified the information you all sent thru and we have located some of the Binfield family in the States.  We have one mystery that we don't seem to find an answer to.  Richard Henry Binfield married Agnes Lee in 1893 and their son Robert Edward came to NZ.  His daughter (who I am helping to find her family history) can remember a woman visiting from the UK who her father called his sister (Flora), she was killed in a road accident in Christchurch, NZ.  On the death record for Agnes Binfield (Robert Edward's mother) it states F. Stevenson daughter present at the death 21 Peter Street, Folkestone. On Robert Edward's birth certificate it states his Mother as Agnes Binfield late Lee formerly Nelson.  We are wondering if Agnes Lee had a daughter when she was married to ?? Lee, but none of the Census records we have show her living with the Binfield's??
Just wondering if anyone can find something that throws some light on this??
Thanks
Poodlz
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: vronlady on Monday 20 July 15 10:11 BST (UK)
this is  interesting  -
Florence Lee   b 8 Feb 1909  Manhattan, New York, New York, United States 
Father Fredrick Lee age 27 b Derby, England 
Mother Agnes Nelson Lee age 27 b Manchester, England 
Mother's Age 27 

although I have no idea how it would fit in with other facts and time frames etc. more investigation needed
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: vronlady on Monday 20 July 15 10:18 BST (UK)
um no....

she is still in new York in 1940 with widowed mum agnes lee

back to the drawing board
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: Poodlz on Monday 20 July 15 10:36 BST (UK)
Good try!!
Do we need to find a marriage between Agnes Nelson to ?? Lee before her marriage to Binfield in 1893?
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: vronlady on Monday 20 July 15 10:43 BST (UK)
not having much look there. ???  trying another tack :)

I can see flora Stevenson leaving uk for NZ in 1946 and she gives her address of peters street Folkestone and she gives her ages as 55 so birth date of 1891. Interestingly she puts intended place of residence NZ so looks like she was emigrating there

do you have her death details and certificate?

so she would only be about two when agnes married bimfield. wonder where she was in her early years.
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: Poodlz on Monday 20 July 15 12:36 BST (UK)
What records do you have of her departure from the UK?
I have looked in deaths, but I would presume that as she wasn't a NZ citizen her death wouldn't have been recorded in NZ.  Unfortunately our papers only go to 1935 - I will ask her Aunt if she has anything!  Can you see when she became Stevenson - marriage??
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield
Post by: vronlady on Monday 20 July 15 13:05 BST (UK)
flora  is on outgoing uk travel list ( british pasengers embarking at port of London 30th may 1946 on the "rangatiki")  but the only detail given is what I have listed - there are no other Stevenson or lee passengers etc. actually I have just noticed something interesting on looking at  it again. under last place of permanent residence it has "other parts of british empire" rather than England , wales  etc. she must have come from uk though and must have been in Folkestone  for agnes death in 1945.

I cant see a flora?? marriage to Stevenson .
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: Poodlz on Thursday 23 July 15 06:10 BST (UK)
I was wondering if you can help me with where I go to get a death certificate for Flora Stevenson.  As mentioned in previous post she was killed in a road accident here in Christchurch (we think 1949/1950), as she was an UK resident I think her death certificate would have been filed in the UK??
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 09:36 BST (UK)
A death in Christchurch would be registered in Christchurch.

There's a burial record for a Flora Stevenson at Ruru Lawn cemetery on 27 November 1949.
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: vronlady on Thursday 23 July 15 09:43 BST (UK)
this is the details for that flora
Christchurch City Council Cemeteries Database

 
Flora Stevenson d 27 November 1949 buried 29 November 1949 Ruru Lawn Cemetery
Block number  35 Plot number  355
Aged 60 years

this puts her a little older than we thought. the only other thing is it says 26 years in NZ??
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: vronlady on Thursday 23 July 15 09:44 BST (UK)
there is also this one but it is short on detail
Flora Stevenson d 25 August 1958 buried 25 August 1958 Waimairi Block number AN21 Plot number  28
 
 
 
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: vronlady on Thursday 23 July 15 09:45 BST (UK)
you said she was killed in Christchurch - is that where the other members of the family were living at the time. is it possible she was buried outside of Christchurch??
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: Poodlz on Thursday 23 July 15 09:51 BST (UK)
No she was buried in Christchurch, she was travelling to meet up with Robert Edward Binfield, from what we can establish (see other posts) her Mother Agnes married Robert's father and we think she may have been a child from a previous marriage but she/he saw each other as brother/sister.  We are trying to establish this given that all census records when Robert was in the UK there is no mention of Flora??  So my thoughts are, if we can find the death certificate it may help us unravel what at the moment is a bit of a mystery!
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 10:00 BST (UK)
Possibilities in the death index:

Florence Johanna Stevenson
1949   q/e Sep   Christchurch

Florence Stevenson
1950   q/e June   Christchurch,

Florence Stevenson
1958       Christchurch

Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 10:12 BST (UK)
There's a Flora Lee marriage to Leonard Stevenson in New Zealand in 1923
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: Poodlz on Thursday 23 July 15 10:23 BST (UK)
Yes I've looked at all the deaths of Stevenson in NZ but none match.  You may see from a previous post that there is a Flora Stevenson leaving UK on the Rangitiki in 1946 and we think that is her.  The death certificate of Agnes Binfield (Mother of Robert) 21 March 1946 states that F. Stevenson daughter present at death, 21 Peter Street, Folkestone.
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 10:32 BST (UK)
1891 census

34 Orchard Street, Pendleton, Salford

Agnes Lee   33 widow   Cotton Cloth Weaver   born Manchester
Flora   Lee   10 daughter Scholar  born Macclesfield, Cheshire   
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 10:46 BST (UK)
If that's the right Flora Lee, here is a likely baptism:

At the Christ Church Licensed School-Room, Macclesfield, 25 December 1880

Flora daughter of Samuel & Agnes Lee. Occupation Warpdresser

37 Barton Street
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 10:58 BST (UK)
In the 1901 census, Flora Lee aged 20 from Macclesfield is a kitchenmaid in Folkestone. In the household of Oscar De Satge, a "retired Australian sheep farmer".

See more about him here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_de_Satge

The only likely marriage I can find for Samuel Lee and Agnes is in Macclesfield on June 21st 1880. Samuel Lee, 27, warpdresser, and Agnes Kelly, 23. Her father William Kelly deceased, mechanic. Sam's father Samuel Lee, a mason.

I would suggest that you obtain Richard Henry Binfield's marriage certificate to make sure we have the right Agnes.
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 11:12 BST (UK)
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There's a Flora Lee marriage to Leonard Stevenson in New Zealand in 1923

Divorce in 1935

 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZH19311120.2.141&srpos=42&e=-------10--41-byDA---2flora+stevenson--
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 12:19 BST (UK)
1881 census

13 Burton Street, Macclesfield

Sarah Mitchell 57 Silk Winder Macclesfield
Clara   Mitchell 30   Daughter No Occupation Macclesfield
Samuel Lee 29 Boarder Silk Dresser Bradford, Yorkshire
Agnes Lee   24 Boarder   Silk Weaver Manchester, Lancashire
Flora Lee 4m Daughter Macclesfield
Title: Re: Richard Henry Binfield - Folkstone
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 23 July 15 12:41 BST (UK)
There's a Flora Lee, 34, domestic, on the SS Mamari departed London on 11 August 1920 for New Zealand. One of a large number of female domestic servants travelling together on consecutive tickets 6881 to 6910.