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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: pendlelad on Sunday 26 October 14 15:08 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I am looking for information about Joseph Adrien Saccary (born about 1915) who lived in Nova Scotia.
I have looked on ancestry and all i have found is a departure list from england to halifax, Canada in 1938 which gave his birth year as 1915. He is not on the 1921 census and he does not have a birth record in Nova scotia births. There is a Jos A Saccary on the voters list in 1953 and also a phone book directory for Joe A Saccary in 1995.
He married in England and had a child there but seemed to go back to Canada.
I would love to know his parents names and even when he died.
Thanks
Pendlelad
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www.novascotiagenealogy.com
You won't find a birth listed as online only goes to 1913 at present with another year added annually.
The surname Saccary is unique to Cape Breton County, Nova Scotia - the Bridgeport/Glace Bay area. Possibly 2 brothers originating in Newfoundland. Hard to know which would be the ancestor of your Joseph. Go through the bmd's at the site above to try to separate the 2 families. The occupation would be coal miner.
You could try the public library in Glace Bay to see if they have anything that may help you.
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Hi there,
Thanks for your help, i will have to wait a couple of years then to be able to view his birth record.
Im afraid i cant visit the library because i live in england, but i have noticed that the Saccary's were very much concentrated in nova scotia. I wonder where they originated before emigrating to Canada?
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It looks as though one of the SACCARY families (head is Moses) are transcribed as SAWRY in 1921 (Glace Bay). There's a 7 yr old son Joseph Ed. Just a maybe.....
Maureen
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He appears on this Nominal Roll list:
Pte Joseph Adrian SACCARY - Glace Bay
https://sites.google.com/site/nominallist/s
If the English marriage certificate (1942?) had his father's name, that would help enormously.
Cheers
AMBLY
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It looks as though one of the SACCARY families (head is Moses) are transcribed as SAWRY in 1921 (Glace Bay). There's a 7 yr old son Joseph Ed. Just a maybe.....
Maureen
Maureen,
That looks like a good possibility, i have just had a look at it and yes the transcription is wrong.
I was thinking that his father might be called moses before, but there seems to be two moses saccary's about. One with Christina as his wife and the other with Catherine.
Thanks,
Pendlelad
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He appears on this Nominal Roll list:
Pte Joseph Adrian SACCARY - Glace Bay
https://sites.google.com/site/nominallist/s
If the English marriage certificate (1942?) had his father's name, that would help enormously.
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY,
Thanks for the info, it seems he might have been in all three militaria during the war, this list calls him a private in the army. The departure list from england to canada in 1938 lists him as a seaman, and a list mentioning his wife and child, gives his reg.number and that he is in the royal canadian air force.
Pendlelad
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http://automatedgenealogy.com
breakdown of families
1901 Nova Scotia/Bridgeport
Sachery, John, head
Alice, wife
Moses, son b. June 9, 1882
immigrated 1885, all born Newfoundland
Sacery, Joseph, head, b. 1864
Margaret, wife
Frances
John J
Alice
Wiseman, Catherine, mother in law
immigrated 1890
Sacary, Abraham, head, b. 1871
Catherine
Sarah M
John W
Joseph
1911 Census, Nova Scotia, Cape Breton South, Glace Bay
Saccrey, Joseph, immigrated 1890
Margret
Francis
John
Charles
Maggie
page 7
Sacery, Abraham
Catherine
Sarah
John
Joseph
?
Mary A
Leopold
page 8
Sacery, Beatrice
Sacery, John, father, age 79
From the above census info, I would take a guess that the 2 brothers that came to Nova Scotia from Harbour Grace, Newfoundland are John and Joseph. I couldn't find Moses in any 1911 census but he could be badly transcribed. I would also suggest that Moses and Abraham are possibly brothers.
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It appears from some of the records that I looked at that the church in Bridgeport that was used at some point was Immaculate Conception Church. Bridgeport is now part of Glace Bay which is part of Cape Breton Regional Municipality.
Cape Breton Regional Library
www.cbrl.ca
They may be able to tell you what is available for genealogy research in Cape Breton.
If you go to Library and Archives Canada under Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
There are Attestation Papers for 3 of the Saccary's.
The Attestation Papers for Moses Saccary show that he was born Harbour Grace Newfoundland on June 9, 1883 (out one year from the census info) It also states his wife as Catherine.
At the Historical Vital Statistics site
www.novascotiagenealogy.com
there is a death for Catherine Saccary (lost my piece of paper) I think in 1942 which states her maiden name was McKinnon
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Double checked and Catherine Saccary died in 1942
address 86 Phalens Road, Glace Bay
burial in St. Anne's Cemetery
Cape Breton Post May 20, 2004
obituary
Margaret Saccary, age 85 b. 1919 Scotland, d. May 19, 2004, Glace Bay
predeceased by husband Joe in 1996
This may be your Joe but I haven't found an obituary as yet or burial.
The Cape Breton Library may be able to help you with an obituary for this Joe to see if it is the one you are looking for.
www.canada411.ca
is an online telephone directory that you may want to use at some point. Several Saccary's are listed for the Glace Bay area.
You may want to contact the catholic churches in Glace Bay to see if they may have records that aren't available on line. Also the funeral home in Glace Bay may also be able to help.
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funeral homes
www.vjmcgillivray.ca
V. J. McGillivray Funeral Home
www.jmcurryfuneralhome.com/index.php
Curry's Funeral Home
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valeriec,
Thanks for that, i would have never found all those people with the name variations. I will order his marriage cert in order to find out the name of his father..
Pendlelad
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Moses in 1911:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9R-3BDN
He's transcribed as SEEREY on A*try.
I do wonder if his wife Christena from the 1921 and wife Catherine are the same person.
Maureen
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Moses in 1911:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9R-3BDN
He's transcribed as SEEREY on A*try.
I do wonder if his wife Christena from the 1921 and wife Catherine are the same person.
Maureen
Maureen,
I have been comparing both the 1911 and 1921 census and yes the dates of birth are the same although the wife on 1921 is called Christina. I know for a fact that she was called Catherine because 'Mary' who is on both censuses being 2 and 12 has a birth record (1908) on ancestry listing moses as her father and Catherine McKinnon as her mother. Catherine's death (nee McKinnon) is in 1942 which lists Moses as her husband (also the informant of her death). So Christina cannot be his second wife but the same person as Catherine..
Pendlelad
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That makes sense! :) :)
Well done.
Maureen
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I know this is an older thread, but ...In case you want to look further once you have found the patriarch, you might want to consider looking at this, as some Nfld. spelled it
The census all appear to say "English" heritage http://www.rootschat.com/links/01em7/
Was thinking perhaps the surname was a misspell of Zacharie, but I looked for Saccary on the FHS site just for fun, and did find a pocket of the saccary spelling in early Kent England, ( a Sacary in 1642 Surry, a John Sacarie was christened 1582 Ightam Kent) then I tried Sacrie and found many in various locations, although the very earliest were again in Kent with the odd one in Sussex. Sakry, Sakre, Sacray, Secray, Sacrey, sacry, Sackry, Sakry, Sachree, Sackree, Seacre, Seecree, Sacrye even a Soakrey & a Sicr...I may not have listed them all
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01em8/
There was even a marriage of a Saccary in Prussia mid 1700s and a few Sacary births in Galacia, early 19th century which could be the Zachary phonetics...So hard to say if the origins are French or ? ( Just also found some early 1800s Prussian marriages with spelling Sacrè and Sacre' )
Looking at the U.K. FreeBMD you can find
Sacree, Sacry, Sacrey, Sacret, Sacret, Sacrit, Sacre, even with an accent SACRÉ.
It doesn't appear to be too common a name if these prove to be the same surname... J.J.
adding: The surname Sacre/Sacré in England gives a whole raft of results as well....
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The book Family Names of the Island of Newfoundland says family history has two brothers coming from Jersey ( Channel Islands) to NFLD. Family history not always being correct, but certainly feasible.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=cdZCZ61xXNcC&pg=PA460
Valerie, Maureen & Ambly ...Good sleuthing in finding them by the way!
adding:
Hmmm, just found a John Sackorey b. Newfoundland in Halifax Nova Scotia 1891 but he's a decade older than yours, age 58 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/jpg/30953_148116-00093.jpg
A marriage for a Moses Sacrey, perhaps an uncle... there is an Alice Sacrey as a wittness to a marriage ...
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Vstats/pre-1891-registration-hbr-grace-rc-mar-1879-1889-hg.shtml
Alice died 1909 ( Abraham signed the return) and John in 1913, ages a bit off but they don't name parents.
so adding: at the death of an Abraham 1819 ( actual birthdate listed on site) father John & mother Alice Norket? both born NFLD although she says N.S on census if I recall and I often don't ;D
I am wondering if this is Northcott...an Alice Northcott was witness to some marriages on that same page as Moses Sacrey's and other Northcott & Sacrey witnessed each other's marriages.... www.novascotiagenealogy.com
He also says racial origins are Irish as do several other younger Saccarey
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wow that's amazing, my name is Brittany Saccary my mom is Lillian saccary her brother is Joseph Adrian Saccary, their dad (my grandfather) is Stanley Joseph saccary, and his dad (my great grandfather) is moses Saccary !!! :D
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Welcome to Rootshat, BSaccary...I do hope Pendlelad gets this notification...I'll maybe notify by private message as well.
Forgive me for having written 1819 above for Abraham as it was obviously 1919... I guess I was thinking backwards once again......
There are now some earlier instances of the surname in Burial Records of St. Paul's Anglican, Harbour Grace http://nl.canadagenweb.org/cbhg_hg_burials_1800.htm
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Parish/st-pauls-ang-burials-3-hg.shtml
7 May 1849 Stephen Sachary
17 Sep 1821 Peter Sachery - http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/sacrey-peter-1-350.shtml
22 Feb 1842 Anna Sackery
6 Nov 1805 [blank] Sacrey - 7 yr Son of [blank] Sacrey of Bryans Cove
16 Sep 1829 [blank] Sacrey
10 Oct 1809 Charles Sacrey - 18 mth - Son of Peter Sacrey of Bryans Cove
29 May 1840 Elizabeth Sacrey
23 Dec 1824 Joanna Sacrey
4 Jan 1825 Sarah Sacrey
19 May 1840 Stephen Sacrey
18 Sep 1825 William Sacrey
28 Feb 1832 Edward Sacrey/ Parsons
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Birth info was updated from Sucery, Joseph Adreen to Saccary, Joseph Adrien...June 28, 1914. parents as found earlier. ( see 3 other pages )
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=1914-50700148&Event=birth&ID=311587
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Hi J.J and BSaccary,
Thanks for continueing this thread, i'm not sure if i said earlier on but i am not a relative of the Saccary's, i was only enquiring for a friend. Saccary is indeed a rare and interesting surname which i found to be challenging when researching it. J.J, I am grateful for the information you have provided here and it will surely help other people around the world related to the family, i will make sure the info also gets to my friend because he will be very happy to see it.
I find it quite strange that the surname is very specific to a small part of the UK in the tudor times, when did they emigrate from Prussia and why? Or is the name Saccary an english deriative of Zachary which could have come over in the Norman conquest?
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Only 3 Saccary names on Free BMD (England and Wales). 1942/3 and 1967 so will not mention names.
Marriage June Qtr. 1942, Worthing, Sussex
Birth June Qtr. 1943. Worthing, Sussex
Birth Dec. Qtr. 1967, Halifax, Yorkshire
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There is no proof as to the bkgd ancestry of the name in Canada. The older ones said English, the later ones said Irish...Family Lore has the immigrants to NFLD as from Jersey/channel islands so who knows??
Joseph Adrian Saccary, the topic of discussion, and supposedly the same fellow marrying during the war & also having a child in England ...was the son of Moses Sacrey & Catherine McKinnon...
Britanny, looking again, you must be talking about a different Joseph Adrian Saccary??? as yours has a different father?
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Images now available for many Sacrey baptisms early in the 1800s! For example
Briants Cove, Harbour Grace : Peter ( Ann) Stephen ( Rebecca) Zachariah ( wife Elizabeth)
also one in Carbonear, Harbour Grace: Andrew ( Mary) although hard to tell if this is one or two generations ( Stephen & wife having children from 1811 to 1831)
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Asacrey~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Anfld~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1700-1820~
Other spellings Sacrae, Sacres, Sacry
St. Paul's Anglican has 3 baptisms 3 Jan 1784 for 3 children of John & Lucrecce "Zachary"
William, Jane & Zachary http://nl.canadagenweb.org/cbhg_hg_bap_1775.htm
( Further down this is claimed by a descendant to be Zachariah Sacrey )
There is also a baptism in 6 Nov 1781 son of John & Grace Zachary - given name Clements
http://nl.canadagenweb.org/cbhg_hg_bap_1775.htm
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My name is Nadine saccary (cathcart) my dad is Sheldon saccary and my grandfather was john William "Jake" saccary. He was raised in bridgeport NS . He always said his relatives came from harbor grace NFLD.
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Hello. Little late to the party but I'm living in Ireland originally from the USA and I am related to Saccarys with roots from Nova Scotia. I know it's a common name there but you never know. Check out Saccary's in Connecticut!
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wow that's amazing, my name is Brittany Saccary my mom is Lillian saccary her brother is Joseph Adrian Saccary, their dad (my grandfather) is Stanley Joseph saccary, and his dad (my great grandfather) is moses Saccary !!! :D